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Layoffs at Watson Health Reveal IBM’s Problem with AI

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Re: Layoffs at Watson Health Reveal IBM’s Problem with AI

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Isn't this just the same problem IBM has had for...well...most of my adult life?

I had a contract gig at IBM Advanced Technology in Boca for about 18 months in early 2001-2002. Talk about missing the boat...

I was brought in to prop up a soon-to-be-failed project for the Japanese government...basically a "Napster for Tokyo" that would allow paid-for-play C2C song sharing for customers of "the Big 5" record companies.

I asked simple questions that no one could answer...why would people pay for content when it was so easily available via other means? you are using DRM how??? really? you need a special player to play the music?

Why would anyone do that?

I stayed for a few simple reasons...the fat consultant check I cashed every Friday. Exposure to some outstanding engineers and coders where I got to learn from true talent. The great strip club on A1A next to my rental in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea.

But reading over this article reminds me that IBM is just too big to get out of its own way, and has been for the longest time.

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Re: Layoffs at Watson Health Reveal IBM’s Problem with AI

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"Offering managers didn’t have technical backgrounds and sometimes came up with ideas for new products that were simply impossible."

Sounds like they drank their own kool-aid, e.g., "Products That Enhance and Amplify Human Expertise," rather than understand the actual limitations and possibilities of ML. And it seems to me that they're still doing it with this nonsense about a human-level "AI" debating stack.

The oversell seems a real shame in light of how much good can be done with EMR and machine learning / NLP.

Re: Layoffs at Watson Health Reveal IBM’s Problem with AI

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Isn't this just the same problem IBM has had for...well...most of my adult life? I had a contract gig at IBM Advanced Technology in Boca for about 18 months in early 2001-2002. Talk about missing the boat... I was brought in to prop up a soon-to-be-failed project for the Japanese government...basically a "Napster for Tokyo" that would allow paid-for-play C2C song sharing for customers of "the Big 5" record companies.…

I always thought Watson Health would be like a smaller spin-off product that wasn't influenced too much by IBM. T

Given all the expectation of its product and the importance of ML/AI, it makes sense this was impossible.

Re: Layoffs at Watson Health Reveal IBM’s Problem with AI

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It only reveals IBM's problem with AI if you were at any point under the impression that it was something more than marketing for them and watch actual market signals.

The audience that gobbles up their ad campaign during the Masters that touted their "block chain" logistics probably wouldn't even notice that they had layoffs at Watson health.

Re: Layoffs at Watson Health Reveal IBM’s Problem with AI

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Is Watson a codebase? Or is it just a brand?

It seems to me that Watson is basically just IBM's version of AWS/GCE services (at least the non infra ones). But it gets thrown around as a buzzword so often. The marketing makes it look like there's a single AI codebase that can be accessed through a bunch of APIs, but I would be very surprised if that was actually the case.

Re: Layoffs at Watson Health Reveal IBM’s Problem with AI

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This sounds like a case where the AI is used in a "marketing" way to make people interested in a product, and then there isn't really much AI involved, and the people developing the AI have a struggle to prove that it's relevant to the business.

I wonder if DeepMind at Google has a similar problem. It is certainly getting a lot of headlines, but there are plenty of other AI groups within Google that do business-relevant things like improve search or ad matching or make Google Home's voice recognition work. I would not be surprised if in the long run DeepMind becomes a group that performed a neat stunt with Go, but kind of fades in practical relevance, like Watson with Jeopardy.

Re: Layoffs at Watson Health Reveal IBM’s Problem with AI

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Isn't this just the same problem IBM has had for...well...most of my adult life? I had a contract gig at IBM Advanced Technology in Boca for about 18 months in early 2001-2002. Talk about missing the boat... I was brought in to prop up a soon-to-be-failed project for the Japanese government...basically a "Napster for Tokyo" that would allow paid-for-play C2C song sharing for customers of "the Big 5" record companies.…

Getting a nice check while doing nothing actually productive is soul crushing. Good for the short term but it's a Chinese water torture in the long run.

Two years ago at their vegas conference they had a coffee shop that used AI to recommend coffee types. I thought "boy, they don't understand this technology".

Re: Layoffs at Watson Health Reveal IBM’s Problem with AI

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"Offering managers didn’t have technical backgrounds and sometimes came up with ideas for new products that were simply impossible." Sounds like they drank their own kool-aid, e.g., "Products That Enhance and Amplify Human Expertise," rather than understand the actual limitations and possibilities of ML. And it seems to me that they're still doing it with this nonsense about a human-level "AI" debating stack. The ove…

That is my biggest gripe with this as well. We certainly don't want an another AI winter, especially not in health, where I'm hoping (perhaps too optimistically) that it will allow better and cheaper care.
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