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Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Kind of an odd error message. " Looks like you are offline You'll need to check back here once you have restored your connection. Thanks for your patience. " But you're clearly online if you can see the error message....

I think Web workers can actually do that if you've visited the site once before, even if you can't connect now.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Kind of an odd error message. " Looks like you are offline You'll need to check back here once you have restored your connection. Thanks for your patience. " But you're clearly online if you can see the error message....

I think Web workers can actually do that if you've visited the site once before, even if you can't connect now.

Service Workers, probably.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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This could be just the natural evolution of the internet. Early on the internet needed a global scope to reach a critical mass. These days a critical mass can be reached within a trading zone with not much (percentage wise) value added outside of that. Also because equipment continues to get cheaper the size of a viable critical mass is shrinking.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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So does Europe. Article 13 up for vote today and GDPR already passed. To quote the article, "Many of these elements serve a dual purpose: supporting domestic industry while further closing off the internet."

Article 13 vote is tomorrow - there's still time to contact MEPs and voice your opinion. Ask them[0] to support the "Reda compromises" [1]

[0] https://saveyourinternet.eu/home

[1] https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/the-internet-after-axel-voss/

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Western companies filter out “hate speech”. Chinese companies do the same. In China, the definition of “hate speech” also includes anything that is critical of the government or Xi Jinping.

My ISP doesn’t filter hate speach, and it’d better damn stay that way.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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By requiring connections to be end-to-end encrypted (by pushing for HTTPS and other strong encryption methods), web architects have forced nations into an all-or-nothing position. They must completely control their slice of the internet, because otherwise they can't accomplish their goals. The future is fragmented, incompatible internets.

If protocols and services were designed instead to allow a measure of control at a high level, these nations could still do all the things they're going to do anyway, but allow the internet to remain open. For example, data wouldn't need to remain within a nation's borders if the nation still had control over it, at least within their own networks. They wouldn't have to create their own Facebook if they could manipulate Facebook inside their borders. You could still have cooperative compatible services, with controls where they were required.

I guess it's western ideals that make these suggestions sound horrible. But different countries are going to work differently - the fracturing of the internet and laws governing its use is the proof of that. You can choose your response: pick up your toys and go home, or make concessions so that everyone can use the same toys.

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