EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
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Re: EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
#2It’s worth noting that I’ve seen poor families in France reusing plastic forks and knives. Like always, this kind of policy hurts the poor a lot more.
Re: EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
#3It’s worth noting that I’ve seen poor families in France reusing plastic forks and knives. Like always, this kind of policy hurts the poor a lot more.
Poverty reduction programs, not trashing the planet, is the correct response to that
Re: EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
#4It’s worth noting that I’ve seen poor families in France reusing plastic forks and knives. Like always, this kind of policy hurts the poor a lot more.
Environmental policy is probably the main factor that has driven a wedge between progressives/liberals and the working class. Nearly all environmental regulations are regressive when considered as taxes. The rich can afford to pay more for cleaner energy, durable goods, recycling, and so on. The poor cannot.
I am not saying that either concern is invalid. Environmental concerns are real. I am simply pointing out a political problem that needs to be solved.
Re: EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
#5It’s worth noting that I’ve seen poor families in France reusing plastic forks and knives. Like always, this kind of policy hurts the poor a lot more.
What do you mean? They are so poor they can't afford metal or wood tools?
We need to consider the real costs of this products, to include the price we need to pay to recycle them.
Re: EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
#6It’s worth noting that I’ve seen poor families in France reusing plastic forks and knives. Like always, this kind of policy hurts the poor a lot more.
Poverty reduction programs, not trashing the planet, is the correct response to that
That can work to a point, but if environmental policies permanently increase the cost of things like energy then poverty reduction programs must pay that cost. That in turn inflates the cost of poverty reduction programs, making them require increased taxation. This in turn drags down the economy, creating more poverty.
Re: EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
#7It’s worth noting that I’ve seen poor families in France reusing plastic forks and knives. Like always, this kind of policy hurts the poor a lot more.
The ban is on "single use plastic items" - it's hard to argue with it - it just makes sense. Poor families you've seen will be able to re-use plastic forks and knives as long as they are meant to be durable, not one time use items; and they'll last for them longer, so better for them, no?
Re: EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
#8It’s worth noting that I’ve seen poor families in France reusing plastic forks and knives. Like always, this kind of policy hurts the poor a lot more.
Environmental policy is probably the main factor that has driven a wedge between progressives/liberals and the working class. Nearly all environmental regulations are regressive when considered as taxes. The rich can afford to pay more for cleaner energy, durable goods, recycling, and so on. The poor cannot. I am not saying that either concern is invalid. Environmental concerns are real. I am simply pointing out a po…
You can avoid having poor people pay more by creating recycle points, you pay more on a soda can or bottle but you get the extra money back when you return the empty can/bottle. (I know some will say is not comfortable to do this so we need more education to have people understand why this is important)
Re: EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
#9It’s worth noting that I’ve seen poor families in France reusing plastic forks and knives. Like always, this kind of policy hurts the poor a lot more.
What do you mean? They are so poor they can't afford metal or wood tools? We need to consider the real costs of this products, to include the price we need to pay to recycle them.
Yes, it’s what I meant.
Plastic culterly can be found in your local supermarket for very cheap, and when you don’t have a car, and can’t received packages from Amazon, it can be truly your unique solution.
Re: EU Commission presents draft directive to ban some plastic waste
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Poverty reduction programs, not trashing the planet, is the correct response to that
That can work to a point, but if environmental policies permanently increase the cost of things like energy then poverty reduction programs must pay that cost. That in turn inflates the cost of poverty reduction programs, making them require increased taxation. This in turn drags down the economy, creating more poverty.
> That in turn inflates the cost of poverty reduction programs, making them require increased taxation.
That, or reducing spending, or increasing taxation income through other investments.