The Philip Cross Affair
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The Philip Cross Affair
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#2Previously (related) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17109290
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#3"“Philip Cross” not only carefully tends and protects the Wikipedia entry of Guardian editor Katherine Viner, who has taken the paper four square into the neo-con camp..."
Uh, ok, I'm not saying the Guardian is perfect or anything, but I lived in the U.S. when it was ruled by neocons, and read the Guardian from time to time (then and now). For all I know Katherine Viner is neo-con, but the Guardian is not a neo-con paper. I found it hard to take the rest of the column seriously after that part.
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#4Unsurprising. On Italian Wikipedia it was recently shown that a clique of people was actively spreading right-wing misinformation and propaganda related to the Eastern border issues (Trieste / Dalmatia and so on), purging dissent through organised activities.
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#5"“Philip Cross” not only carefully tends and protects the Wikipedia entry of Guardian editor Katherine Viner, who has taken the paper four square into the neo-con camp..." Uh, ok, I'm not saying the Guardian is perfect or anything, but I lived in the U.S. when it was ruled by neocons, and read the Guardian from time to time (then and now). For all I know Katherine Viner is neo-con, but the Guardian is not a neo-con p…
I can tell you that the Guardian shifted noticeably to the right, attacking Corbin, insisting that the British left is full of antisemites, blindly supporting Israel and generally subscribing to US interventionism and a "us vs them" mentality. Now, I can imagine it's still far from being a neo-con newspaper in US terms, but for a newspaper that was considered the voice of the left, in a European context, that's more than enough.
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#6"“Philip Cross” not only carefully tends and protects the Wikipedia entry of Guardian editor Katherine Viner, who has taken the paper four square into the neo-con camp..." Uh, ok, I'm not saying the Guardian is perfect or anything, but I lived in the U.S. when it was ruled by neocons, and read the Guardian from time to time (then and now). For all I know Katherine Viner is neo-con, but the Guardian is not a neo-con p…
I can tell you that the Guardian shifted noticeably to the right, attacking Corbin, insisting that the British left is full of antisemites, blindly supporting Israel and generally subscribing to US interventionism and a "us vs them" mentality. Now, I can imagine it's still far from being a neo-con newspaper in US terms, but for a newspaper that was considered the voice of the left, in a European context, that's more…
I feel like there should be more to right and left than pro- and anti-Israel.
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#7"“Philip Cross” not only carefully tends and protects the Wikipedia entry of Guardian editor Katherine Viner, who has taken the paper four square into the neo-con camp..." Uh, ok, I'm not saying the Guardian is perfect or anything, but I lived in the U.S. when it was ruled by neocons, and read the Guardian from time to time (then and now). For all I know Katherine Viner is neo-con, but the Guardian is not a neo-con p…
Viner is co-author of My Name Is Rachel Corrie, a 2005 play about the protestor killed during nonviolent resistance in the Gaza Strip by an IDF bulldozer.
Thirteen years is a long time; I know my values have changed a lot in that time. But that play doesn't seem like the output of someone committed to the mainstream narrative on Israel.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can tell you that the Guardian shifted noticeably to the right, attacking Corbin, insisting that the British left is full of antisemites, blindly supporting Israel and generally subscribing to US interventionism and a "us vs them" mentality. Now, I can imagine it's still far from being a neo-con newspaper in US terms, but for a newspaper that was considered the voice of the left, in a European context, that's more…
I feel like there should be more to right and left than pro- and anti-Israel.
It's more about easy, polemical attacks than accuracy.
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#9It's a good find and will probably be a continuing controversy, but I fear transparency cannot win from adequately funded disinformation campaigns. All this controversy does is prove a point (structural disinformation campaigns exist) and give a usefull hint to such campaigns: never use a single persona as your cover. Those personas should resemble real live persons with interests and lives, not 9h * 7d continuous ops. Point made, enemy strengthened.
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#10Wikipedia is a fantastic resource for math and science, less so for the lives of contemporary figures. Whatever you use it for, remember to check sources, and treat it as a starting point for further research only.