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As Population Growth Slows, Populism Surges

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Re: As Population Growth Slows, Populism Surges

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Maybe it's time for governments to start coming up with policies to attract technology businesses to small cities and perhaps even towns. These businesses would have to be comfortable having many remote workers, since there's no way they're going to get everyone they want to hire to move there, but maybe they could be given sufficient incentive to set up a headquarters there.

It's not unusual, of course, for localities to give large companies tax incentives to build factories, warehouses, or even data centers, but those tax incentives are very expensive, and they don't tend to bring better-educated, higher-earning workers into the area. Trying to attract a larger number of much smaller businesses might be a more fruitful approach in the long run, if a way can be found to do it.

Re: As Population Growth Slows, Populism Surges

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Parts of this article seem like a rather circular analysis.

In the world’s largest cities, where populations are densely concentrated and growing, economies are generally thriving and cosmopolitanism is embraced. Where populations are sparse or shrinking, usually in rural places and small cities, economies are often stagnant, and populism sells.

What does "thriving" mean here? GDP? Do any countries track GDP by city? I haven't heard of that if so. This paragraph is vague but if by "thriving" they mean lots of economic activity, that's a circular definition - "thriving economies are where lots of people are". By this logic cities have always had more "thriving" economies than rural areas and always will, by the very definition of what a city is.

Also, whilst they define populism, they do not define "cosmopolitanism". If populism is the feeling that a small group of elites do not represent the needs of ordinary people, then what is cosmopolitanism? The idea that elites don't exist at all? Or that they do and that it's a good thing if they rule?

As youth have continued to migrate from rural areas to cities, their movement has widened not only the median age gap between rural places and cities, but also gaps in attitude, since the young, regardless of where they live, tend to associate more with urban outlooks.

More circularity. Cities are dominated by the young, therefore the young associate more with urban outlooks. This is restating the premise in different words.

One movement extols the values that are a practical necessity in dense, interconnected cities: interdependence, internationalism and the embrace of “diversity” (defined along multiple dimensions)

This is stated as if it's obvious fact, but I don't understand why. Why is internationalism a practical necessity in cities? Are there no cities in the world with quite ethnically homogenous populations? Have the authors visited eastern European or Russian cities? Or African cities?

Overall I find this analysis weak. It's basically a big correlation/causation fallacy, written by academics in the NY Times (elitist intellectuals writing in what is practically the official newspaper of such people), who are non too subtly arguing that smart young energetic people and places are people who agree with academics, and old decaying declining people and places are people who don't.

But there are many other ways to explain contemporary political shifts. I see no reason to link it to demographics.

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Maybe it's time for governments to start coming up with policies to attract technology businesses to small cities and perhaps even towns. These businesses would have to be comfortable having many remote workers, since there's no way they're going to get everyone they want to hire to move there, but maybe they could be given sufficient incentive to set up a headquarters there. It's not unusual, of course, for localiti…

That won't work - there are really, really good reasons why clusters of industries emerge, and why they almost always emerge in dense areas.

A better move might be to pay people to leave dying counties. I've heard it discussed for Coal Country in West Virginia, and in parts of Kansas that have been shrinking for the last century.

As farms and rural industries mechanize, and as cities become the primary focus, why swim against the current?

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>“The trend toward population decline, set off by a sustained decrease in fertility rates beginning in the 1960s, has been driven to a significant extent by increasing prosperity and life span.”

In the US, I’m pretty sure it’s because ppl can’t afford to have kids.

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Maybe it's time for governments to start coming up with policies to attract technology businesses to small cities and perhaps even towns. These businesses would have to be comfortable having many remote workers, since there's no way they're going to get everyone they want to hire to move there, but maybe they could be given sufficient incentive to set up a headquarters there. It's not unusual, of course, for localiti…

I think there are strong headwinds to this, but there are some things that the government can do. For example, insuring that high-speed internet access is available in rural and small-town areas, similar to how they have in the past made sure that affordable postal delivery and phone service were not for big cities only. High-speed internet access makes it easier for certain kinds of jobs to be done from almost anywhere, and small towns tend to be more affordable.

Re: As Population Growth Slows, Populism Surges

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post #3

Parts of this article seem like a rather circular analysis. In the world’s largest cities, where populations are densely concentrated and growing, economies are generally thriving and cosmopolitanism is embraced. Where populations are sparse or shrinking, usually in rural places and small cities, economies are often stagnant, and populism sells. What does "thriving" mean here? GDP? Do any countries track GDP by city?…

The causal start is advancing industrialization. This both reduces fertility rates and favors cities over the countryside. The relation is very consistent over many different countries, and it is easy to see what the causal chains are for each of them.

>Why is internationalism a practical necessity in cities? Are there no cities in the world with quite ethnically homogenous populations? Have the authors visited eastern European or Russian cities? Or African cities?

These cities are far more interconnected, both internally and externally, than the countryside.

Also, I hate it when someone claims they have an alternative explanation, but don't present it so that we can examine it critically.

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Maybe it's time for governments to start coming up with policies to attract technology businesses to small cities and perhaps even towns. These businesses would have to be comfortable having many remote workers, since there's no way they're going to get everyone they want to hire to move there, but maybe they could be given sufficient incentive to set up a headquarters there. It's not unusual, of course, for localiti…

I think there are strong headwinds to this, but there are some things that the government can do. For example, insuring that high-speed internet access is available in rural and small-town areas, similar to how they have in the past made sure that affordable postal delivery and phone service were not for big cities only. High-speed internet access makes it easier for certain kinds of jobs to be done from almost anywh…

Y’all are making the assumption rural areas want these things without asking

How about we include their own list of real needs (not just “More jobs” rhetoric) in the real debates rather than going in circles with hypotheticals on social media

Maybe the government can start there

Cause I grew up in a rural area. The aren’t luddites. But they also don’t want YOUR context pushed on their ways

Read some Paulo Freire

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