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Re: Private Ubuntu Cloud

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Perhaps it's just me, but how do you price this service? Or is it free?

The web-site doesn't appear to provide a potential customer with the information they need to evaluate the service. At least, not easily.

Re: Private Ubuntu Cloud

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post #2

Perhaps it's just me, but how do you price this service? Or is it free? The web-site doesn't appear to provide a potential customer with the information they need to evaluate the service. At least, not easily.

Iirc it's totally free and clones different amazon AWS API by integrating Eucalyptus (http://open.eucalyptus.com/).

The problem is, that you need to rent/buy the maximum hardware size of your could upfront as amazon does it. Therefore it's a bigh myth you only pay what you use because the provider has to split all costs+interests among the customers (like EC2). Including costs of hardware/infrastructure not currently in use!

If you have your own rack(s), tools like eucalyptus/ubuntu cloud can help you to dynamically scale your apps and use your hardware more efficent.

But remember: To do this it needs more than some instant-on virtual machines: You need to be able to automatically spawn applications with tools like puppet or chef, too. This usually requires some amount of work and brain :-)

Claiming to be able to scale to infinity just because you're using EC2/Eucalyptus/OpenStack is a biiiiiig common lie.

Re: Private Ubuntu Cloud

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I'm sorry but the whole concept of a private cloud makes no sense to me - why would you have a private electricity generator for your home? The security issues are a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD), I have written about it here:http://rakkhi.blogspot.com/2010/07/cloud-computing-security-...

Re: Private Ubuntu Cloud

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post #4

I'm sorry but the whole concept of a private cloud makes no sense to me - why would you have a private electricity generator for your home? The security issues are a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD), I have written about it here: http://rakkhi.blogspot.com/2010/07/cloud-computing-security-...

the obvious: not every network is or can be connected to the internet, often for security reasons.

Re: Private Ubuntu Cloud

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post #5
post #4

I'm sorry but the whole concept of a private cloud makes no sense to me - why would you have a private electricity generator for your home? The security issues are a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD), I have written about it here: http://rakkhi.blogspot.com/2010/07/cloud-computing-security-...

the obvious: not every network is or can be connected to the internet, often for security reasons.

The other obvious - it potentially makes your server management much easier, particularly if you need a lot of computing power, or lots of servers quickly.

Re: Private Ubuntu Cloud

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post #4

I'm sorry but the whole concept of a private cloud makes no sense to me - why would you have a private electricity generator for your home? The security issues are a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD), I have written about it here: http://rakkhi.blogspot.com/2010/07/cloud-computing-security-...

The security issue isn't all FUD. There are legitimate reason that you may not want to use a cloud like EC2 for certain things. Remember, you don't control the hardware for EC2. Some could modify the system so that all security measures you take are defeated. Is that /dev/random you are using to encrypt your memory really random?

Your private electricity example is probably a good example. Most datacenters and companies that rely on power pull it from multiple grids and actually do have a way to generate their own private power. The same will probably hold true for IaaS at some point. It will be something people grow to trust but if you want that last 0.1% you are going to have to do it yourself.

Re: Private Ubuntu Cloud

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post #4

I'm sorry but the whole concept of a private cloud makes no sense to me - why would you have a private electricity generator for your home? The security issues are a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD), I have written about it here: http://rakkhi.blogspot.com/2010/07/cloud-computing-security-...

I believe one very important reason is: don't put your data on another network unless you really need it, because it always comes at a cost.

For instance that is part of the french navy policy (separate networks). You find it funny, until it saves your ass :)

Sidepoint: weither you believe it's FUD or not, it's a matter of fact that there is a real market here. A lot of medium to large companies are actually totally reluctant to put anything in the cloud. That's part of why you see github:fi, or the hoptoad firewalled version, or the ubuntu private cloud offer.

Another sidepoint: working with vaguely sensitive data at home on an encrypted disk is OK for me, but putting it into an EC2 instance: I would get fired and/or sued (not FUD here, I've been warned!).

Re: Private Ubuntu Cloud

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post #4

I'm sorry but the whole concept of a private cloud makes no sense to me - why would you have a private electricity generator for your home? The security issues are a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD), I have written about it here: http://rakkhi.blogspot.com/2010/07/cloud-computing-security-...

It's only FUD if you don't consider physical security at all important. When you're working with VERY sensitive data (the kind that mishandling could literally get you arrested for), you seek to secure it in every way possible.

Perhaps ironically, a white-listed firewall rule for a cluster of EC2 instances is probably more secure than most government networks, but putting it anywhere that compromises physical security is just as bad.

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