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Don't give away historic details about yourself

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Re: Don't give away historic details about yourself

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The whole "secret question" thing seemed to me to a completely stupid idea from the start. "Hey, give us password. If you forget your password, give us a much, much less secure way to access your account."

I've always given false info to those, when I bother to fill them out at all. If necessary, I just store this false info along with the password in the encrypted file I keep my passwords in. The security questions they use are often easily guessable (although it seems now they are using somewhat better questions). Nevertheless, my attitude is that I'll just make sure to retain the password.

I get the possible security risk of answering quizzes on places like Facebook, but I've done it a few times because it's fun. It all boils down to passwords being a hassle. Almost anything you do to make dealing with passwords easier makes them less secure, but there's nothing better. The only improvements over passwords come from additional authentication factors, like having to grab a code messaged to your cell-phone, or using one of those little security token devices (or the software equivalent). I don't think anything is going to be replacing passwords any time soon.

Re: Don't give away historic details about yourself

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Underlying this, don't ever answer these stupid 'account security' questions truthfully. Better to make something up and store it in your password manager along with other account info.

I'd normally be tempted to put in the same types of random passwords I normally use, eg:

> What was the name of the street you grew up on? L9Pro840Of9KNIGfKD4tf8tOwTG9Dcqj

Unfortunately, I've heard you can talk to customer support and say things like "I think I just typed in random garbage for that" and they'll accept it. Whether an attacker would know or try this I'm not sure, but I could also see a customer rep hinting towards this when they see it.

It's probably better to actually make up something plausble-sounding but incorrect, like "Summit Avenue". (Related: there's a website for this [1])

[1] https://www.randomlists.com/random-street-names

Re: Don't give away historic details about yourself

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A good idea to counteract privacy risks of this sort is to occasionally search yourself by your full name or by username (one that can be traced back to you, that is) across all major search engines and see if any of your data is out in the open in any public forum.

Same goes for searching your phone numbers, physical addresses and your email address (preferably in double-quotes for an exact match) -- I discovered mine stashed in a blog full of random email address in which my ID was a part of -- reported it to Google and it was gone in a couple of days.

I perform this 'exercise in privacy' once every three months -- which for me is the average time in which I sign-up for a new service or product using my primary email address; YMMV.

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Re: Don't give away historic details about yourself

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post #4

Underlying this, don't ever answer these stupid 'account security' questions truthfully. Better to make something up and store it in your password manager along with other account info. I'd normally be tempted to put in the same types of random passwords I normally use, eg: > What was the name of the street you grew up on? L9Pro840Of9KNIGfKD4tf8tOwTG9Dcqj Unfortunately, I've heard you can talk to customer support and…

A heuristic where you transform a truthful answer might be better.

i.e. your first car was a Bronco, security answer = hash('bronco'+secret).slice(6)

Re: Don't give away historic details about yourself

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The whole "secret question" thing seemed to me to a completely stupid idea from the start. "Hey, give us password. If you forget your password, give us a much, much less secure way to access your account." I've always given false info to those, when I bother to fill them out at all. If necessary, I just store this false info along with the password in the encrypted file I keep my passwords in. The security questions…

Typically using a secret question also requires you to have access to the email account you signed up with, so it's almost 2FA at that point.

Re: Don't give away historic details about yourself

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The whole "secret question" thing seemed to me to a completely stupid idea from the start. "Hey, give us password. If you forget your password, give us a much, much less secure way to access your account." I've always given false info to those, when I bother to fill them out at all. If necessary, I just store this false info along with the password in the encrypted file I keep my passwords in. The security questions…

Hashing a salted string of "an answer" usually works. Phone operators try to ask you the question, though, and you sit there for five minutes reading off hundreds of characters, and everyone is suddenly having a bad day, which I find hilarious. The people that expect you to maintain retardedly formatted passwords with stupid character mixtures, and expiration/re-use rules are obstacles, and I like making them as miserable as they make me.

The obvious corollary though, is that there really are organizations with systems that using publicly available information about, mixed with misinformation to see if you can discern an "accurate-ish" (which is sometimes not correct at all, even if you know what they think the correct answer is), and they don't even give you options about what public information they're going to select, to verify your identity.

It's usually a brief questionnaire about previous addresses, associated last names, states you paid your taxes in, and it deeps the impression that there are simply gaping, flawed security gaps at the core of everyone's financial factoids, because it's also sourced from poorly conceived paper-based bureaucratic files that never had any hope of being accurate from the outset.

Re: Don't give away historic details about yourself

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The whole "secret question" thing seemed to me to a completely stupid idea from the start. "Hey, give us password. If you forget your password, give us a much, much less secure way to access your account." I've always given false info to those, when I bother to fill them out at all. If necessary, I just store this false info along with the password in the encrypted file I keep my passwords in. The security questions…

Indeed, they're only slightly less stupid than considering SSNs to be secret and then using those. As others also suggest, I always make up the answers, different per counterparty - there's no way I fully trust places like my work to keep these details securely, so it's worth compartmentalizing the risk

Re: Don't give away historic details about yourself

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The whole "secret question" thing seemed to me to a completely stupid idea from the start. "Hey, give us password. If you forget your password, give us a much, much less secure way to access your account." I've always given false info to those, when I bother to fill them out at all. If necessary, I just store this false info along with the password in the encrypted file I keep my passwords in. The security questions…

I do the same. Once, a bank asked me over the phone what my high school mascot was (or whatever) to verify that I was really me. I hadn't expected them to use the question in this way, so I wasn't prepared to look up my answer. Knowing whatever randomly generated string I'd used was likely unpronounceable I answered, "I could teach you to pronounce it, but first you'd need to cut out your tongue." which they accepted.
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