YouTube Suspect Was Popular and Ridiculed in Iran

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Post by mistersquid » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 8:56 PM UTC

YouTube Suspect Was Popular and Ridiculed in Iran
nytimes.com

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Post by mistersquid » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 9:27 PM UTC

This video is also featured in the article "‘Vegan Bodybuilder’: How YouTube Attacker, Nasim Aghdam, Went Viral in Iran" [0] which I came across after submitting story.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/technology/nasim-aghdam-y...

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Post by pvelagal » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 9:41 PM UTC

I am not sure if this incident would/should cause any review/discussion of youtube's or any site's policies relying mostly on user generated content ?

Should there be a broad industry standard / governing body / laws to make sure attackers don't go crazy after innocent employees ?

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Post by ldiracdelta » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 10:14 PM UTC

pvelagal wrote: post #3

I am not sure if this incident would/should cause any review/discussion of youtube's or any site's policies relying mostly on user generated content ? Should there be a broad industry standard / governing body / laws to make sure attackers don't go crazy after innocent employees ?

Like the ability for citizens to effectively defend themselves as granted under the 2nd amendment? Or do you just mean the police, which attempts to protect people against crazy people of any sort.

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Post by danielvf » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 10:43 PM UTC

Wow - It’s an amazing omission how the end of this article skips over any kind of attack on YouTube employees.

> “Then, just after noon, she parked her car at a business near YouTube’s offices. She walked into one of YouTube’s parking garages, and then emerged into an outdoor courtyard where employees were eating lunch.”

> ”Emergency officials arrived at YouTube’s offices two minutes after the police first received 911 calls about shots being fired. When they arrived, they found Ms. Aghdam dead. A 9-millimeter semiautomatic handgun, registered in her name, was found at the scene.”

> “By Tuesday night, YouTube, as well as Instagram and Facebook, had taken down her pages and videos...“

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Post by apotheothesomai » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 11:44 PM UTC

pvelagal wrote: post #3

I am not sure if this incident would/should cause any review/discussion of youtube's or any site's policies relying mostly on user generated content ? Should there be a broad industry standard / governing body / laws to make sure attackers don't go crazy after innocent employees ?

What would be effective is a real-life way for families or friends of a mentally ill and possibly violent adult to have some useful recourse.

Banning her videos wouldn't have made her less violent, and a tech company wouldn't have any resources beyond what her family had. The problem wasn't the effect her videos had on other people.

In the U.S., it's already illegal to threaten violence against others. "Conspiracy to commit" charges and "terroristic threats," for example.

Select illustrative incidents:

Florida night club shooter - mentally ill and violent in word and deed - his dad warned the FBI and police and asked for help.

Florida school shooter - mentally ill, violent in word and deed, multiple instances of minor run ins with the law - family and friends warned the FBI and police.

This woman - mentally ill and voicing intent for violence - family warned Law Enforcement and tried to get help.

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Post by pvelagal » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 11:55 PM UTC

apotheothesomai wrote: post #6

pvelagal wrote: post #3

I am not sure if this incident would/should cause any review/discussion of youtube's or any site's policies relying mostly on user generated content ? Should there be a broad industry standard / governing body / laws to make sure attackers don't go crazy after innocent employees ?

What would be effective is a real-life way for families or friends of a mentally ill and possibly violent adult to have some useful recourse. Banning her videos wouldn't have made her less violent, and a tech company wouldn't have any resources beyond what her family had. The problem wasn't the effect her videos had on other people. In the U.S., it's already illegal to threaten violence against others. "Conspiracy to…

I am not sure why i got down voted, but I was wondering if it is possible to isolate policy + enforcement of policies by the industry, through an independent body (say w3.org) over all, instead of individual companies. This will make sure that the policy is uniform no matter where the content gets posted, be it youtube or face book or any site. Think about movie ratings by Motion picture association. If a movie is rated R, it is R no matter where you watch it, be it netflix or any movie theater.

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Post by meric » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 12:49 AM UTC

> By Tuesday night, YouTube, as well as Instagram and Facebook, had taken down her pages and videos.

Her videos seemed quite harmless - home exercise, veganism, animals.

I don't understand the motive for YouTube to take down her remaining videos.

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Post by seatotree » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 1:48 AM UTC

pvelagal wrote: post #7

apotheothesomai wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be effective is a real-life way for families or friends of a mentally ill and possibly violent adult to have some useful recourse. Banning her videos wouldn't have made her less violent, and a tech company wouldn't have any resources beyond what her family had. The problem wasn't the effect her videos had on other people. In the U.S., it's already illegal to threaten violence against others. "Conspiracy to…

I am not sure why i got down voted, but I was wondering if it is possible to isolate policy + enforcement of policies by the industry, through an independent body (say w3.org) over all, instead of individual companies. This will make sure that the policy is uniform no matter where the content gets posted, be it youtube or face book or any site. Think about movie ratings by Motion picture association. If a movie is ra…

You got downvoted because you put a ton of slashes + plus signs in your question that made it difficult/impossible to read.

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Post by danso » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 2:56 AM UTC

danielvf wrote: post #5

Wow - It’s an amazing omission how the end of this article skips over any kind of attack on YouTube employees. > “Then, just after noon, she parked her car at a business near YouTube’s offices. She walked into one of YouTube’s parking garages, and then emerged into an outdoor courtyard where employees were eating lunch.” > ”Emergency officials arrived at YouTube’s offices two minutes after the police first received 9…

When I saw it earlier today, the video accompanied a longer story about the shooter and what she did: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/technology/nasim-aghda...