Uber’s Self-Driving Cars Were Struggling Before Arizona Crash
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#2This is totally not surprising. Everything we know about Uber leads me to believe that they would try to shortcut this projects development. Shame on Arizona officials for being so lax with such a sensitive policy.
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#3Move fast, break things. Their overall culture doesn't seem well suited for potentially dangerous technology.
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#4> As of March, Uber was struggling to meet its target of 13 miles per “intervention” in Arizona
For reference’s sake, here are the disengagement ratios for the companies who operate in California, which requires such disclosures:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/...
Waymo averaged more than 5,000 miles per disengagement, fwiw. Though as the link mentions, the definition of “disengagement” can vary
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#5I thought the conventional wisdom was that the only way Uber can become profitable was through autonomous vehicles. It sounds like they're very unlikely to succeed at that...
Arizona should consider improving their regulations to try to avoid additional fatalities.
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#6I don't understand the fuss around this topic. In my country the law is very clear: in such a case the pedestrian has 100% of the guilt, the driver has 0% responsibility.
From the movie, the pedestrian is hard to see. Yes, people point at Lidar and other systems, but human driven cars don't have anything like this: any human driver would have the accident in the same circumstances. But how about the pedestrian, didn't she see a car high 2 big headlights coming? Did expected the car to stop or avoid her? Why everyone blames the software (and Uber) and not the pedestrian crossing the street like she was crossing her living room where there are no cars around?
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#7> As of March, Uber was struggling to meet its target of 13 miles per “intervention” in Arizona For reference’s sake, here are the disengagement ratios for the companies who operate in California, which requires such disclosures: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/... Waymo averaged more than 5,000 miles per disengagement, fwiw. Though as the link mentions, the definition of “disengagement” c…
Something to note - a mile is a mile here. I can buy an off the shelf tesla and have it do laps on my neighborhood street until the cows come home, this is not the same kind of mile as downtown SF in peak traffic.
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#8I don't understand the fuss around this topic. In my country the law is very clear: in such a case the pedestrian has 100% of the guilt, the driver has 0% responsibility. From the movie, the pedestrian is hard to see. Yes, people point at Lidar and other systems, but human driven cars don't have anything like this: any human driver would have the accident in the same circumstances. But how about the pedestrian, didn'…
because thats not how progress is made.
I want self driving car accidents to evolve like airline crash investigations not traffic fatality ones.
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#9I don't understand the fuss around this topic. In my country the law is very clear: in such a case the pedestrian has 100% of the guilt, the driver has 0% responsibility. From the movie, the pedestrian is hard to see. Yes, people point at Lidar and other systems, but human driven cars don't have anything like this: any human driver would have the accident in the same circumstances. But how about the pedestrian, didn'…
The “fuss” is largely because someone was killed, and independent of the tech issues here, many people don’t believe that death is a reasonable penalty for jaywalking. The fact that states differ on applying fault in these cases should be a hint about how the morality here is not clear-cut.
Then there’s the tech-focused issue of why Uber’s AV could not stop or even slow down when encountering a human-shaped object that seems to have been visible for several seconds before impact. Part of Uber and other companies’ pitch for AV is that it has better than human reaction and detection time.
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#10I don't understand the fuss around this topic. In my country the law is very clear: in such a case the pedestrian has 100% of the guilt, the driver has 0% responsibility. From the movie, the pedestrian is hard to see. Yes, people point at Lidar and other systems, but human driven cars don't have anything like this: any human driver would have the accident in the same circumstances. But how about the pedestrian, didn'…
Wouldn't those with greater power (the power to kill) be tasked with greater responsibility?