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NASA Budgets for a Trip to the Moon

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Re: NASA Budgets for a Trip to the Moon

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> The Trump administration is also looking to trim the budget of NASA’s earth science directorate

> The nearly $1.8 billion budget for that part of NASA would be about 6.5 percent lower than what was enacted for fiscal year 2017

Donald seems to be stuck in the Cold War. I've not heard of one good reason for him wanting to send Americans back to the Moon other than "prestige." There are much more valuable scientific targets than the Moon that we could be targeting, and it's very upsetting that he seems to be using NASA to enhance his own image (e.g. deep cuts in areas where NASA needs budget increases..)

Re: NASA Budgets for a Trip to the Moon

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> The Trump administration is also looking to trim the budget of NASA’s earth science directorate > The nearly $1.8 billion budget for that part of NASA would be about 6.5 percent lower than what was enacted for fiscal year 2017 Donald seems to be stuck in the Cold War. I've not heard of one good reason for him wanting to send Americans back to the Moon other than "prestige." There are much more valuable scientific t…

Maybe it's a smokescreen to divert resources away from potentially damaging climate research?

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> The Trump administration is also looking to trim the budget of NASA’s earth science directorate > The nearly $1.8 billion budget for that part of NASA would be about 6.5 percent lower than what was enacted for fiscal year 2017 Donald seems to be stuck in the Cold War. I've not heard of one good reason for him wanting to send Americans back to the Moon other than "prestige." There are much more valuable scientific t…

How about a moon base we could use as a base camp for missions to the outer solar system or mars?

H3 mining is another thought.

Edit: other ideas

* Autonomous vehicles sent ahead of time to build habitats for people.

* Large underground bases dug into the bedrock positioned at the poles collecting solar energy.

* Long tracks to launch things into space/earth electromagnetically.

* Mining of ice which could get split into H and O for propellant.

* Mining of other materials to be used on site or sent back to earth.

* Attempt to get people to be self sufficient on another world, even if it took a hundred years.

* Depot for deep space asteroid mining ships/drones to drop off their cargo and refuel/repair without having to drop all the way down to Earth.

Re: NASA Budgets for a Trip to the Moon

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> The Trump administration is also looking to trim the budget of NASA’s earth science directorate > The nearly $1.8 billion budget for that part of NASA would be about 6.5 percent lower than what was enacted for fiscal year 2017 Donald seems to be stuck in the Cold War. I've not heard of one good reason for him wanting to send Americans back to the Moon other than "prestige." There are much more valuable scientific t…

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Re: NASA Budgets for a Trip to the Moon

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> The Trump administration is also looking to trim the budget of NASA’s earth science directorate > The nearly $1.8 billion budget for that part of NASA would be about 6.5 percent lower than what was enacted for fiscal year 2017 Donald seems to be stuck in the Cold War. I've not heard of one good reason for him wanting to send Americans back to the Moon other than "prestige." There are much more valuable scientific t…

There’s a good point to be made about manned missions to the moon. There are so many things we don’t know about the moon. See, for example, ESA’s “moon village” plans. The General Director gave a talk at 33c3 that—among other things—makes the case for prolonged human presence on the moon for scientific purposes: https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8406-the_moon_and_european_space...

Re: NASA Budgets for a Trip to the Moon

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> The Trump administration is also looking to trim the budget of NASA’s earth science directorate > The nearly $1.8 billion budget for that part of NASA would be about 6.5 percent lower than what was enacted for fiscal year 2017 Donald seems to be stuck in the Cold War. I've not heard of one good reason for him wanting to send Americans back to the Moon other than "prestige." There are much more valuable scientific t…

I feel in many ways that this is how NASA works. One leader says “My predecessor has no vision for a positive future. We must go beyond low Earth orbit and explore the solar system. I’m announcing renewed funding for programs that will send humans to Mars in 25 years. I’m introducing a bill that adds $2B to the NASA budget.”

And then the subsequent leader says “My predecessor loved spending money even while the people suffered. We cannot be spending billions on space exploration while people need jobs. I have let NASA know they’re going to have to tighten their belts and get to work with less so the people can have jobs. I’m introducing a bull that cuts $2B off the budget.”

Meanwhile, both leaders expand the military budget by $40B.

Re: NASA Budgets for a Trip to the Moon

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> The Trump administration is also looking to trim the budget of NASA’s earth science directorate > The nearly $1.8 billion budget for that part of NASA would be about 6.5 percent lower than what was enacted for fiscal year 2017 Donald seems to be stuck in the Cold War. I've not heard of one good reason for him wanting to send Americans back to the Moon other than "prestige." There are much more valuable scientific t…

How about a moon base we could use as a base camp for missions to the outer solar system or mars? H3 mining is another thought. Edit: other ideas * Autonomous vehicles sent ahead of time to build habitats for people. * Large underground bases dug into the bedrock positioned at the poles collecting solar energy. * Long tracks to launch things into space/earth electromagnetically. * Mining of ice which could get split…

Unless you can make propellant on the moon, that’s going to be less economical than going directly. There’s nothing to be gained by going down another (albeit not very deep) gravity well. The base camp analogy doesn’t really apply.

Re: NASA Budgets for a Trip to the Moon

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> The Trump administration is also looking to trim the budget of NASA’s earth science directorate > The nearly $1.8 billion budget for that part of NASA would be about 6.5 percent lower than what was enacted for fiscal year 2017 Donald seems to be stuck in the Cold War. I've not heard of one good reason for him wanting to send Americans back to the Moon other than "prestige." There are much more valuable scientific t…

There’s a good point to be made about manned missions to the moon. There are so many things we don’t know about the moon. See, for example, ESA’s “moon village” plans. The General Director gave a talk at 33c3 that—among other things—makes the case for prolonged human presence on the moon for scientific purposes: https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8406-the_moon_and_european_space...

It makes me happy that someone from the ESA gave a talk at 33c3.

Re: NASA Budgets for a Trip to the Moon

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> The Trump administration is also looking to trim the budget of NASA’s earth science directorate > The nearly $1.8 billion budget for that part of NASA would be about 6.5 percent lower than what was enacted for fiscal year 2017 Donald seems to be stuck in the Cold War. I've not heard of one good reason for him wanting to send Americans back to the Moon other than "prestige." There are much more valuable scientific t…

How about a moon base we could use as a base camp for missions to the outer solar system or mars? H3 mining is another thought. Edit: other ideas * Autonomous vehicles sent ahead of time to build habitats for people. * Large underground bases dug into the bedrock positioned at the poles collecting solar energy. * Long tracks to launch things into space/earth electromagnetically. * Mining of ice which could get split…

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