Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
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Re: Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
#2Well argued POV. However, the article overlooks the role of the Profumo Affair in ending the MacMillan govt. Another relevant precedent is the EZ negotiations with the Greek Govt over the sovereign debt crisis.
Re: Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
#3Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms?
I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
Re: Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
#4Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms? I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
The negotiations are mostly the UK trying to maintain some of the trade and immigration agreements they had while in the EU. They're welcome to just go "fuck you" and leave, but they will be absolutely destroyed by doing so.
Re: Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
#5Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms? I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
Because the EU could then reject those terms and not having a trade deal would be vastly more damaging to the UK than the EU.
Re: Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
#6Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms? I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
Who would sign a trade deal with a country which reneged on its agreements?
Re: Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
#7Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms? I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
Because relationships between countries don't work in the same way as relationships between teenagers?
Re: Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
#8Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms? I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
Because _everything_ that happens between countries (and between the UK an the EU) is driven by treaties and agreements.
Simple example: if UK leaves without agreements and treaties then there can be no flights from the UK to the EU. This sounds crazy but we have tens of thousands of bilateral agreements that drive even the most fundamental things, and they can be (and are) affected by e.g. the EU membership.
Or UK citizens would not be able to buy products from the EU because there would be no agreements in place that'd allow companies in the EU to export goods. Yeah, as soon as you BMW breaks down that's it, because no spare parts would be available.
Yes, it's this important.
Re: Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
#9Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms? I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
Article 50 specifies exactly what will happen: WTO rules will apply.
I think most people now are assuming WTO and considering anything else to be a bonus.
Re: Britain is, and was, deluded about its negotiating power with the EU
#10Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms? I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
Convention that you don’t break treat obligations (presumably because consequences of doing so would be very bad)?