Algorithms Have Already Gone Rogue
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Algorithms Have Already Gone Rogue
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#2Sorry but it is hard to take seriously someone who thinks AI and automation won't take away jobs.
They will and it is a good thing.
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#3Is this his new meme-hustling? "Algorithm"?
https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-meme-hustler
I've never liked how Tim O'Reilly frames his discussion around vague terms like "open" which could mean participatory, transparent, available, or any other number of vague, feel-good terms. Now he seems to be calling "algorithm" things like economic models and government policy.
These are widely disparate things, but by using vague terms in different contexts, he pushes discussion towards the direction he wants to steer it: in the case of "open", away from free software. In the case of "Web 2.0", towards anything that involved crowd participation.
With "algorithms", he seems to be wanting to push the notion that technology is both scary but liberating and we need tech messiahs like Bezos or Musk to bring it under control.
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#4Sorry but it is hard to take seriously someone who thinks AI and automation won't take away jobs. They will and it is a good thing.
Perhaps, but they also take away income.
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#5Sorry but it is hard to take seriously someone who thinks AI and automation won't take away jobs. They will and it is a good thing.
That's a loaded statement. You could say as well that's it's hard to take seriously those who don't know the lump of labour fallacy.
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#6Sorry but it is hard to take seriously someone who thinks AI and automation won't take away jobs. They will and it is a good thing.
Just like free trade, yes, a good thing in the aggregate. But many individuals will be displaced, and we should discuss these effects openly and honestly. The last generation wasn't so upfront about the secondary effects of globalization on blue collar workers in rich countries.
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#7Sorry but it is hard to take seriously someone who thinks AI and automation won't take away jobs. They will and it is a good thing.
I think it’s important throw an addendum onto that statement.
“They will, and it is a good thing. Although there may be some short term downsides we should look to mitigate.”
I love to listen to economics podcasts and read economic articles and books in my spare time, so I’m sufficiently convinced that automation is a good thing for quality of life around the world. That being said, there is a real human cost as well that shouldn’t be downplayed. If we suddenly had autominous trucks available tomorrow, that would potentially lead to millions of American (tens of millions of world wide) workers that will become unemployed. Some percentage will pivot into new work. Some will struggle to find new jobs. Some will never find new employment. What we shouldn’t do is just discount that human suffering as “the cost of progress” and just move along. We short continue to work to find ways to help people with these transitions when and where we can.
In short, let’s always try to mix in some humanity with our disruptive innovations.
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#8Sorry but it is hard to take seriously someone who thinks AI and automation won't take away jobs. They will and it is a good thing.
Who says the people won't rise up and attempt to destroy thinking machines in some kind of holy war? No one likes being marginalized.
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#9Sorry but it is hard to take seriously someone who thinks AI and automation won't take away jobs. They will and it is a good thing.
Even assuming we end up with some society where robots do most of the labor and universal basic income becomes a thing, what do you think 90% of people will do? People need to be occupied, and the typical person isn't an inventor or artist. Furthermore, good luck making kids want to go to school when they see it as pointless since they can just get everything free from the robots while they watch TV. If you think obesity and our sedentary lifestyles are a danger now, it's only just starting.
We're in for some huge problems as automation ramps up. The people saying "this is good" now will be screaming to go back once the problems start rolling in.
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#10Is this his new meme-hustling? "Algorithm"? https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-meme-hustler I've never liked how Tim O'Reilly frames his discussion around vague terms like "open" which could mean participatory, transparent, available, or any other number of vague, feel-good terms. Now he seems to be calling "algorithm" things like economic models and government policy. These are widely disparate things, but by using v…
That's been bothering me, the word "algorithm" is slowly becoming known as this ambiguously scary thing.