Why Are Middle East Girls Better in School Than Boys?
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Why Are Middle East Girls Better in School Than Boys?
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#2Maybe it’s a good time to talk about the fact that school is largely a waste of time. And that it’s not about being smart but how well do you listen and follow orders. Like it’s insane what sort of garbage I had to waste time on and whenever I brought this up, it was brushed away with “get used to it” or “I don’t like it either but that’s how things are”.
Not to promote gender stereotypes and what not but I wonder if some of these results are due to the fact that’s women seem to be better at communicating and school is very much about communication. I personally would have just preferred being given the time and desk to read the textbook, I don’t need a person to chew it for me.
Education is important, the idea of school in the current format is outdated and retarded. However this is unlikely to change since students have very little power to change things.
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#3Maybe it’s a good time to talk about the fact that school is largely a waste of time. And that it’s not about being smart but how well do you listen and follow orders. Like it’s insane what sort of garbage I had to waste time on and whenever I brought this up, it was brushed away with “get used to it” or “I don’t like it either but that’s how things are”. Not to promote gender stereotypes and what not but I wonder if…
> Education is important, the idea of school in the current format is outdated and retarded. However this is unlikely to change since students have very little power to change things.
What would you do differently?
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#4> in school, Jordanian girls are crushing their male peers
When males outperform females, everyone concludes the system is biased and we should remove the bias.
When females outperform males, they say things like "This is baffling on the most obvious levels."
Maybe the educational system is biased, favoring how girls learn and behave. Is it hard for people to imagine that systems can benefit girls at the expense of boys, or can they only see the opposite?
If there are biases favoring how girls learn, then they are disadvantaging boys and might consider removing the bias.
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#5Maybe it’s a good time to talk about the fact that school is largely a waste of time. And that it’s not about being smart but how well do you listen and follow orders. Like it’s insane what sort of garbage I had to waste time on and whenever I brought this up, it was brushed away with “get used to it” or “I don’t like it either but that’s how things are”. Not to promote gender stereotypes and what not but I wonder if…
> Education is important, the idea of school in the current format is outdated and retarded. However this is unlikely to change since students have very little power to change things. What would you do differently?
The idea of a person chewing things for you is stupid. People should go at their pace. I’ve found that out of the six plus hours that you spend in school, only a small fraction is spent productively. So much is wasted on administrative matters.
I also found the switching between subjects to be really annoying. Like what if I want to spend half a day a week on the single subject as oppposed to an hour every day. Context switching overhead is real.
I want a desk and a textbook. I need a teacher only when I get stuck.
I also find that if you aren’t extroverted school is hell. It might be hell if you are extroverted too but it’s double hell if you aren’t.
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#6> in school, Jordanian girls are crushing their male peers When males outperform females, everyone concludes the system is biased and we should remove the bias. When females outperform males, they say things like "This is baffling on the most obvious levels." Maybe the educational system is biased, favoring how girls learn and behave. Is it hard for people to imagine that systems can benefit girls at the expense of b…
> When males outperform females, everyone concludes the system is biased and we should remove the bias.
> When females outperform males, they say things like "This is baffling on the most obvious levels."
You point out hypocrisy, but follow it up with an equal but opposite?
> Maybe the educational system is biased, favoring how girls learn and behave. Is it hard for people to imagine that systems can benefit girls at the expense of boys, or can they only see the opposite?
> If there are biases favoring how girls learn, then they are disadvantaging boys and might consider removing the bias.
Are you saying that these schools unfairly favors girls, but not so when it's the other way around?
Can it not be that this instead proves that systems can be and are biased, in both directions?
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#7> in school, Jordanian girls are crushing their male peers When males outperform females, everyone concludes the system is biased and we should remove the bias. When females outperform males, they say things like "This is baffling on the most obvious levels." Maybe the educational system is biased, favoring how girls learn and behave. Is it hard for people to imagine that systems can benefit girls at the expense of b…
I think the difference here is that the sorts of things that article mentions that are thought to favor boys in other countries (role models, more men than women on boards etc.) are also evident in Jordan, but the girls are still doing better.
Another way of looking at it might be ‘why are Jordan’s girls able to do so well where girls in similar situations in other countries do not’.
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#8An American friend of mine worked at a private school there. She said that boys are being raised to be pampered with the expectation in life that they will not need to provide for their family through work and that women are basically slaves.
This was a school of upper class kids and, to me, the attitude I would expect for children of tyrants.
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#9The answer seems to be "toxic masculinity".
(Since I had to clarify this last time: the term refers to expressions or expectations of masculinity and masculine behaviour that are toxic, not a claim that masculinity is toxic in and of itself.)
> For one thing, boys’ schools are more violent places, concluded the study
> Boys also reported worse relationships with their male teachers
> male teachers were three times as likely as female teachers to say they were dissatisfied with teaching
> "Most of the problems I face with male teachers is that they want to yell at kids, to humiliate them.”
> The separation of students, teachers, and administrators into single-sex public schools may serve cultural and religious purposes, but it seems to create an unintentional ghetto for boys
> “Boys don’t feel that school can necessarily help them reach manhood.”
> In order to avoid all-female cohorts of students, Sultan Qaboos University, Oman’s only public university, now has two sets of admission criteria: one lower bar for men and one higher bar for women.
(affirmitive action!)
While I've been quote-picking I've noticed that this article is really nicely structured. The first sentence of each paragraph makes a point, then the rest of the paragraph introduces supporting statements.
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#10Maybe it’s a good time to talk about the fact that school is largely a waste of time. And that it’s not about being smart but how well do you listen and follow orders. Like it’s insane what sort of garbage I had to waste time on and whenever I brought this up, it was brushed away with “get used to it” or “I don’t like it either but that’s how things are”. Not to promote gender stereotypes and what not but I wonder if…
> And that it’s not about being smart but how well do you listen and follow orders.
Do you realise that not all people are smart, and for those who aren't - this is the way to go.