EFF to Court: The First Amendment Protects the Right to Record First Responders
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#2"Be American, get arrested."
It is truer and truer every day. I deliberately avoid a pathway or roadway if I can see a police officer there.
These guys are overpaid, hyped-up, and ignorant of whatever law you cite when they wrongfully arrest you.
The chief has their back, and suing them is expensive and risky.
Plus you are in prison until you are allowed to post bail.
To anyone who disagrees: 70% of prisoners are there for non-violent offences.
Just go on youtube and watch videos of the things that cops do.
Trust me, you don't want to be on the receiving end of state-legitimized force. It hurts whether justified or not.
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#3"Be American, get arrested." It is truer and truer every day. I deliberately avoid a pathway or roadway if I can see a police officer there. These guys are overpaid, hyped-up, and ignorant of whatever law you cite when they wrongfully arrest you. The chief has their back, and suing them is expensive and risky. Plus you are in prison until you are allowed to post bail. To anyone who disagrees: 70% of prisoners are the…
I talked someone out of a night in prison once.
There was a payment dispute at a night club and the owner brought the police. The guy in question then started talking about their legal rights, and all the lawyers they know
and thats where I interjected "you could just pay with your credit card and initiate a charge back, let the credit card company deal with it, because you'll still spend the night in jail otherwise even if you were right"
the club owner, the crowd and the police looked at me as if to say "who thinks like that", and the club owner stumbled over his words saying back to the guy that is he charges it back he won't be allowed in the club again
who knows how the chargeback would have actually gone
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#4"Be American, get arrested." It is truer and truer every day. I deliberately avoid a pathway or roadway if I can see a police officer there. These guys are overpaid, hyped-up, and ignorant of whatever law you cite when they wrongfully arrest you. The chief has their back, and suing them is expensive and risky. Plus you are in prison until you are allowed to post bail. To anyone who disagrees: 70% of prisoners are the…
I talked someone out of a night in prison once. There was a payment dispute at a night club and the owner brought the police. The guy in question then started talking about their legal rights, and all the lawyers they know and thats where I interjected "you could just pay with your credit card and initiate a charge back, let the credit card company deal with it, because you'll still spend the night in jail otherwise…
Sometimes the best way to avoid conflict is to embrace it, then channel.
I was in a bar once, sitting at the bar enjoying a beer, when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left.
"Hey! Are you X?"
"Sure."
"I'm going to kick your ass!"
I looked at the guy and said "Hell yeah! Why don't you guys go out into the parking lot and get this thing settled?"
He didn't want to do that. Instead he wanted to keep taunting the other guy. The other guy protested his innocence, but I noticed that he always stayed behind me. Every time the one guy taunted, I agreed and suggested they take it outside. I matched his outrage.
After six or seven exhanges, each time the guy escalating his anger and my escalating my agreement, he finally cursed a bit and went over to the pool tables. Never saw him again that night.
I think if I had tried to talk any sense into the him there would have been a fight, but by agreeing with him so much he finally realized all he really wanted to do was express how angry he was with this other dude.
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#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
I talked someone out of a night in prison once. There was a payment dispute at a night club and the owner brought the police. The guy in question then started talking about their legal rights, and all the lawyers they know and thats where I interjected "you could just pay with your credit card and initiate a charge back, let the credit card company deal with it, because you'll still spend the night in jail otherwise…
Sometimes the best way to avoid conflict is to embrace it, then channel. I was in a bar once, sitting at the bar enjoying a beer, when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left. "Hey! Are you X?" "Sure." "I'm going to kick your ass!" I looked at the guy and said "Hell yeah! Why don't you guys go out into the parking lot and get this thing settled?" He didn't want to do that. Instead he wanted to keep t…
A strong reminder that as humans, in all our complexity and nuance, each of us have basic needs and a desire for empathy and connection. The need to be heard, and the ability to offer simple acknowledgement of someone else, is so underrated in modern life.
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#6I have an engineering question: Is there any negative feedback for police who violate peoples rights like this? I don't mean theoretically. I mean practically, is there any negative feedback?
The reason this is an engineering question is I think we all know what happens to control systems without negative feedback.
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
I talked someone out of a night in prison once. There was a payment dispute at a night club and the owner brought the police. The guy in question then started talking about their legal rights, and all the lawyers they know and thats where I interjected "you could just pay with your credit card and initiate a charge back, let the credit card company deal with it, because you'll still spend the night in jail otherwise…
Sometimes the best way to avoid conflict is to embrace it, then channel. I was in a bar once, sitting at the bar enjoying a beer, when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left. "Hey! Are you X?" "Sure." "I'm going to kick your ass!" I looked at the guy and said "Hell yeah! Why don't you guys go out into the parking lot and get this thing settled?" He didn't want to do that. Instead he wanted to keep t…
I am a total steer into the skid guy. I like your anecdote but this plays out a LOT differently sometimes. The issue is when 2 "embrace the chaos" people are in the equation. Then in your scenario you as an unafiliated third party get dragged into some serious shit
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#8"Be American, get arrested." It is truer and truer every day. I deliberately avoid a pathway or roadway if I can see a police officer there. These guys are overpaid, hyped-up, and ignorant of whatever law you cite when they wrongfully arrest you. The chief has their back, and suing them is expensive and risky. Plus you are in prison until you are allowed to post bail. To anyone who disagrees: 70% of prisoners are the…
>70% of prisoners are there for non-violent offences.
Free Bernie Madoff!
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I talked someone out of a night in prison once. There was a payment dispute at a night club and the owner brought the police. The guy in question then started talking about their legal rights, and all the lawyers they know and thats where I interjected "you could just pay with your credit card and initiate a charge back, let the credit card company deal with it, because you'll still spend the night in jail otherwise…
Sometimes the best way to avoid conflict is to embrace it, then channel. I was in a bar once, sitting at the bar enjoying a beer, when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left. "Hey! Are you X?" "Sure." "I'm going to kick your ass!" I looked at the guy and said "Hell yeah! Why don't you guys go out into the parking lot and get this thing settled?" He didn't want to do that. Instead he wanted to keep t…
> when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left.
Sounds like something out of Fight Club.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sometimes the best way to avoid conflict is to embrace it, then channel. I was in a bar once, sitting at the bar enjoying a beer, when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left. "Hey! Are you X?" "Sure." "I'm going to kick your ass!" I looked at the guy and said "Hell yeah! Why don't you guys go out into the parking lot and get this thing settled?" He didn't want to do that. Instead he wanted to keep t…
> when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left. Sounds like something out of Fight Club.
Sorry. I meant the guy to the left recognized the guy to the right, of course.
Some background: I was at the bar with the guy to my right -- and he deserved to get his ass kicked. So not only was I in the middle of a developing fight, my options were three: 1) back off and watch my friend get a beat-down, 2) try to talk to this guy and calm him down, or 3) Take up for my friend and get into a fight myself
I chose the option in the middle