More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

How is Google handling pay? Is there a level system with fixed pay levels? Or can anyone negotiate his salary - in limits - when starting his job?

Please downvote! It's 2017, an introduction to a sentence I totally hate, and 60 women are suing a progressive company for sexism. One freaking hundred years, or something, after women started voting. What happened in that time? Women were blind to say the least? How is this NOT evidence that men and women are different. I've seen countless cases of men fighting and swearing at each other, bragging about themselves, and stuff. And countless cases where women would think and say of themselves all the diminishing things, from I'm not that good to I'm not that pretty. I don't remember a single case where that was true for those women or men.

But to say, like so many people say and believe, that men and women think and act that way because they were told so, is abhorrently and viciously and so flagrantly vacuous if not downright false, that it makes you wonder if anybody really and honestly and proactively wants anything better for women working in fields were they are underrepresented, and not actually fame and money for themselves only. Please, downvote!

A social phenomena, specially one that is so enduring and prevalent, could hardly be conceived to have been caused just by repeating some magic formula to kids throughout their childhood. Never in my life have I heard, Cristian, be a physicist because that's one men do. Cristian, be a programmer because that's what men do. Cristian, be an entrepreneur because that's what men do. Heck, I didn't even know the word entrepreneur, in English or Romanian, when I started my company by myself, by working on evenings and weekends. Nor did I think 'I act like man!'

The dynamic of personal choices and psychology is so complicated and so contingent to personal background and current state, but in the same time if in the middle of all that diversity you see some very specific phenomena happening across cultural and personal backgrounds, then maybe, just maybe, there's something underlying that can not be ignored. And ignoring it would only perpetuate the same evil, if it will not actually make it worse. Please, downvote!

LATER EDIT: Regarding the 'I was not promoted because I am a woman', how could we, as readers of an article actually judge the veracity of such statements. If a man thinks of himself to be good enough for a promotion and he's not promoted, what can he do? What if an women is promoted instead? Who's judgement is to take precendence? His, the manager's? The people? The judge? What about all those tiny details about working with the person in case, the small social interactions, the gut feeling? Seems like it's a luxury men can not afford, that is to cry 'sexism'! And it's not like outthere, in the real world, there're no women manager who treat women and men beneath like shit.

Here is a clue for everyone: you aren't paid according to the value you bring.

You are either paid according to some pseudo-arbitrary schedule or you are paid what you can be had for. Unless Google has a secret pay penalty for females, the problem here is women being willing to work for less. No lawsuit is needed to correct that.

> The document, which was widely condemned as misogynistic and scientifically inaccurate

Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo?

They are re-iterating misconceptions based on Gizmodos original story, where Gizmodo deliberately gave a misleading report, removed sources and incorrectly presented an internal memo for internal discussion as an "anti-diversity manifesto".

Even a cursory glance of the actual memo would have shown that none of these allegations hold. Less so that they were "widely condemned" by anyone who had actually read the memo.

I has honestly expected The Guardian to hold higher standards.

>dynamic of personal choices and psychology is so complicated and so contingent to personal background and current state

So these women choose to have lower salaries even though they have the same qualifications/experience?