How Microsoft is changing the programming world
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How Microsoft is changing the programming world
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Re: How Microsoft is changing the programming world
#2Through "the impact it’s currently having on making functional programming, or at least some degree of it, more mainstream."
Go, Microsoft! ^_^
Re: How Microsoft is changing the programming world
#3Blah - this is just trying to hide an anti MS screed by wrapping it in an article about functional programming. You'll find good and bad developers that use any language. A few anecdotes about how well he knows Dick (this name choice backfires on the author more than once) isn't really going to persuade me that most MS devs are clueless. Functional programming is new to MOST devs regardless of their preferred platform I would imagine. MS may not be as innovating as it once was but at least it isn't stagnating.
Re: How Microsoft is changing the programming world
#4It is an arsurd article. I can point you to web devs on LAMP from the same era that were equally ignorant of other languages or paradigms. The real question for developers isn't, "what things, do I consider important, do you know?", but rather "what have you shipped?" If the only language you know is C++, but you're the lead dev for the Halo series, that gives me a lot more respect than if you know 20 languages and your great contribution is a website where you criticize what other people don't know.
And I think he doesn't understand the difference between language features making it to your production language and the feature existing elsewhere (especially if elsewhere is an obscure academic language). I can be sincerely interested about lazy evaluation showing up in language -- but that doesn't mean that I hadn't used it for the past 20 years in toy projects.
Re: How Microsoft is changing the programming world
#5I am not sure I can agree with the article. By hiding so many aspects of what a program is made of, Microsoft did a disservice to C programmers. Visual Studio programmers that can write a makefile are not many and, by hiding the gory details inside an IDE, Microsoft created - and enjoyed - a good excuse for, if not creating gory details, at least allowing them to exist and thrive. The recent "embrace" of functional programming is too little, too late.
Plus, I have a personal feeling those gory details are there by design - Microsoft has every incentive to make it hard to port Microsoft code to any other platform and no incentive to play nice with code that will run elsewhere.
I cannot imagine going back to a career limited to a fully-Microsoft stack. There is just too much missing.
Re: How Microsoft is changing the programming world
#6This article reeks of bitterness.
I find it curious that he seems to knock 'Dick' for not being well-rounded enough for his tastes. If his company doesn't pay him to develop Linux products, why on earth would he learn about developing for Linux? Or other languages. Or tools.
I'm all for picking up new languages (learning PHP changed some of my approaches to C++), but there's a lot to be said for sticking to your tools and learning them thoroughly. I can either be highly productive in C++ or flail around in a functional language/new platform. I'll stick with the productive one until someone wants to pay me to flail.
Re: How Microsoft is changing the programming world
#7I am not sure I can agree with the article. By hiding so many aspects of what a program is made of, Microsoft did a disservice to C programmers. Visual Studio programmers that can write a makefile are not many and, by hiding the gory details inside an IDE, Microsoft created - and enjoyed - a good excuse for, if not creating gory details, at least allowing them to exist and thrive. The recent "embrace" of functional p…
Yeah I miss the days of programming on linux, having my code run on one distro but not the next.
I miss the days without visual studio when I actually had to look up the documentation for most every data type to see what functions I could use, and when I had to look up how I named my variables and functions in my own classes.
It was wonderful. This whole auto complete functionality and when I press . is just to powerful. I also miss having to worry about garbage collection and debugging with printf statements. Not to mention the CLR taking care of buffer overflows and all sorts of other things.
Microsoft just has made it to hard on their programmers.
Re: How Microsoft is changing the programming world
#8I am not sure I can agree with the article. By hiding so many aspects of what a program is made of, Microsoft did a disservice to C programmers. Visual Studio programmers that can write a makefile are not many and, by hiding the gory details inside an IDE, Microsoft created - and enjoyed - a good excuse for, if not creating gory details, at least allowing them to exist and thrive. The recent "embrace" of functional p…
> Visual Studio programmers that can write a makefile are not many
I'm curious why you think it would be important or valuable for a VS developer to write makefiles.
Your subsequent statements seem to indicate that you believe it allowed MS to put more project complexity, hidden by the IDE. I don't particularly see anything wrong with that, but maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
My view on this is: I write code to create sellable product. I don't sell makefiles.
Re: How Microsoft is changing the programming world
#9I am not sure I can agree with the article. By hiding so many aspects of what a program is made of, Microsoft did a disservice to C programmers. Visual Studio programmers that can write a makefile are not many and, by hiding the gory details inside an IDE, Microsoft created - and enjoyed - a good excuse for, if not creating gory details, at least allowing them to exist and thrive. The recent "embrace" of functional p…
Yeah I miss the days of programming on linux, having my code run on one distro but not the next. I miss the days without visual studio when I actually had to look up the documentation for most every data type to see what functions I could use, and when I had to look up how I named my variables and functions in my own classes. It was wonderful. This whole auto complete functionality and when I press . is just to power…
How long since the last time you actually did anything you imply you once did?
Re: How Microsoft is changing the programming world
#10I am not sure I can agree with the article. By hiding so many aspects of what a program is made of, Microsoft did a disservice to C programmers. Visual Studio programmers that can write a makefile are not many and, by hiding the gory details inside an IDE, Microsoft created - and enjoyed - a good excuse for, if not creating gory details, at least allowing them to exist and thrive. The recent "embrace" of functional p…
> Visual Studio programmers that can write a makefile are not many I'm curious why you think it would be important or valuable for a VS developer to write makefiles. Your subsequent statements seem to indicate that you believe it allowed MS to put more project complexity, hidden by the IDE. I don't particularly see anything wrong with that, but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. My view on this is: I write code to creat…
You write code to make sellable products and every avoidable complexity, every thing you don't understand in your code or build system will eventually come back as increased cost when you need to extend, adapt it to the next Microsoft OS or simply debug it in an environment that looks like what your clients use.
Of you don't understand your build system, you really don't know what you are shippin.