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Is it really “Complex”? Or did we make it “Complicated”? (2014) [video]

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Re: Is it really “Complex”? Or did we make it “Complicated”? (2014) [video]

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I wonder what a Smalltalk-like environment would look like if had been developed in the 2000s instead of the 1970s.

If you could marry up the advantages of text/files, live code, visual layouts, data visualization and perhaps machine learning in the future, maybe you could come up with a huge jump in productivity and being able to handle complexity.

Re: Is it really “Complex”? Or did we make it “Complicated”? (2014) [video]

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I wonder what a Smalltalk-like environment would look like if had been developed in the 2000s instead of the 1970s. If you could marry up the advantages of text/files, live code, visual layouts, data visualization and perhaps machine learning in the future, maybe you could come up with a huge jump in productivity and being able to handle complexity.

As far as I know, Bret Victor is looking exactly into that, check out his talk "The Future of Programming": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGMiCo2Ntsc

Re: Is it really “Complex”? Or did we make it “Complicated”? (2014) [video]

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Is it theoretically impossible to fit an interpreter for a dynamic programming language in the L1 cache of a modern chip?

(I understand there are physical constraints that prohibit super low-latency memory lookups (of unconstrained size) in 0+epsilon time (where epsilon is small))

Re: Is it really “Complex”? Or did we make it “Complicated”? (2014) [video]

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Is it theoretically impossible to fit an interpreter for a dynamic programming language in the L1 cache of a modern chip? (I understand there are physical constraints that prohibit super low-latency memory lookups (of unconstrained size) in 0+epsilon time (where epsilon is small))

Symbolics managed to fit their Lisp VM into the cache of DEC Alpha processors in the early nineties: http://pt.withy.org/publications/VLM.html

Re: Is it really “Complex”? Or did we make it “Complicated”? (2014) [video]

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Alan Kay has had about a few decades to empirically demonstrate that "we" have willfully made it complicated. I don't believe he has done so.

I had the same thought, if he had a solution then he should have it by now.

Re: Is it really “Complex”? Or did we make it “Complicated”? (2014) [video]

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I wonder what a Smalltalk-like environment would look like if had been developed in the 2000s instead of the 1970s. If you could marry up the advantages of text/files, live code, visual layouts, data visualization and perhaps machine learning in the future, maybe you could come up with a huge jump in productivity and being able to handle complexity.

Mathematica gets live code, data visualization, and ML, all with a lispy+tacit+functional syntax. I find it much more integrated and easy to use compared to Jupyter notebook, although it's near useless for anything imperative -- I find myself using Jupyter a lot these days to develop one-off scripts interactively.

(please, no one mention stephen)

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