Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by tuyguntn » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 10:14 AM UTC

Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered
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Post by phillc73 » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 10:25 AM UTC

I've managed to setup Telegram for most of my (non-technical) family - wife, siblings, mother (she doesn't even have a smart phone and just uses Telegram as a message client on her desktop. It's a very convenient way to share family related pictures).

Voice calls are an excellent addition. If these could now also be extended to video calls, I could likely ditch Skype forever.

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Post by notspanishflu » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 11:11 AM UTC

I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything. That's the only way to fully audit the service.

Telegram is not too bad but has too many grey areas at this moment.

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Post by cprecioso » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 11:16 AM UTC

Can anyone familiar with the matter say how secure is the 4-emoji verification code?

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Post by kevingrahl » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 11:17 AM UTC

phillc73 wrote: post #2

I've managed to setup Telegram for most of my (non-technical) family - wife, siblings, mother (she doesn't even have a smart phone and just uses Telegram as a message client on her desktop. It's a very convenient way to share family related pictures). Voice calls are an excellent addition. If these could now also be extended to video calls, I could likely ditch Skype forever.

A client of mine once explicitly asked to communicate via Wire [1] which is pretty similar to Skype but E2E encrypted. It was launched by a Skype co-founder, is easy to use and has a pleasant interface. And it's open source. I can't really tell if the product really does what it's advertising, perhaps someone with more expertise could chime in on that. I got stuck on it and I'm considering ditching Skype altogether for it. Perhaps not the solution you were looking for but interesting nonetheless!

[1] - https://wire.com/en/

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Post by pawelwentpawel » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 11:19 AM UTC

Very welcome addition. Can anyone confirm if this feature will be available on the desktop app as well?

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Post by wackspurt » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 11:25 AM UTC

"Each time you make a Voice Call on Telegram, a neural network learns from your and your device‘s feedback (naturally, it doesn’t have access to the contents of the conversation, it has only technical information such as network speed, ping times, packet loss percentage, etc.). The machine optimizes dozens of parameters based on this input, improving the quality of future calls on the given device and network."

What sort of parameters are adjusted?

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Post by doubleplusgood » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 11:32 AM UTC

cprecioso wrote: post #4

Can anyone familiar with the matter say how secure is the 4-emoji verification code?

Based on their tech docs[1], it seems pretty good.

1: https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end/voice-calls#key-ver...

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Post by konart » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 11:35 AM UTC

cprecioso wrote: post #4

Can anyone familiar with the matter say how secure is the 4-emoji verification code?

Emojis in this case are just sort of visual representation of the keys two users exchange before communication.

In theory this makes MitM attack impractical.

https://core.telegram.org/techfaq#q-how-are-voice-calls-auth...

https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end/voice-calls#key-ver...

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Post by Numberwang » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 11:48 AM UTC

Very good. Great even. But there is a problem. Whatsapp has already won the chat/calls app war. Watch it grow massivly in the next year, i promise. Mostly due to incompetence of MS and Google.