How the Iranian-Saudi Proxy Struggle Tore Apart the Middle East
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#2This article missed a very important point: Iran encouraged and supported the invasion of Iraq. They supplied the evidence and polticians that would topple Sadam and take over his goverment. The Iraq was a major Iranian victory.
Re: How the Iranian-Saudi Proxy Struggle Tore Apart the Middle East
#3This article missed a very important point: Iran encouraged and supported the invasion of Iraq. They supplied the evidence and polticians that would topple Sadam and take over his goverment. The Iraq was a major Iranian victory.
> They supplied the evidence
Can you please elaborate? Some links?
Re: How the Iranian-Saudi Proxy Struggle Tore Apart the Middle East
#4This article missed a very important point: Iran encouraged and supported the invasion of Iraq. They supplied the evidence and polticians that would topple Sadam and take over his goverment. The Iraq was a major Iranian victory.
> The Iraq [war] was a major Iranian victory
Agreed
> Iran encouraged and supported the invasion of Iraq. They supplied the evidence and polticians that would topple Sadam and take over his goverment
I haven't read that, and I've read a lot about it. Would you point me to something credible and expert that I can read about it?
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#5People in Western nations might want to remember that Iran was an ally of the U.S. and I think other Western states before the 1979 revolution.
I'm not sure why the Western countries would prefer Saudi Arabia over Iran at this point, except that Saudi Arabia is more willing to work with the West. Both promote extremist ideologies.
Iran is supporting Assad's mass killing of people in Syria, but I think that in the long run they are no different than the Saudis (and many in the West) in this respect; the Saudis would do the same if one of their major allies was at risk.
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#6This article missed a very important point: Iran encouraged and supported the invasion of Iraq. They supplied the evidence and polticians that would topple Sadam and take over his goverment. The Iraq was a major Iranian victory.
Iran supplied evidence that the US gave as reason to invade Iraq? Nice try!
How Iraq was broken is still fresh in our minds, so don't attempt to rewrite history.
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#7The invasion of Iraq, which the New York Times played a major role in, tore the ME apart.
Very soon we'll be blaming some other group for Libya and Syria.
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#8This article missed a very important point: Iran encouraged and supported the invasion of Iraq. They supplied the evidence and polticians that would topple Sadam and take over his goverment. The Iraq was a major Iranian victory.
Why is this noteworthy? This is obvious to anyone with even minimal knowledge of the Middle East.
There was an Iraq/Iran war in the 80's with casualties in the millions. Iraq, a country with a dominant Shia population was ruled by Saddam and the Baathists, an elite Sunni minority.
The conflicts and politics in the Middle East are very complex, but you can paint it with a broad Sunni vs. Shia brush. Before this, there was a secular, pan-Arab movement in the middle east, tacitally supported by the USSR, but the west didn't like the idea of a pan-Arab movement. So this is the result
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#9The title implies the middle east was ever not torn apart. A quick glance through a history book shows it has always had more than its fair share of sectarian violence.
It is resource starved and a major crossroads, why should we expect anything else without major effort to fix it?
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