Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]
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#2I think it's relevant to HN because a lot of us with families and/or in middle age can't risk quitting our jobs to start startups without assurance that we'll be able to buy adequate health insurance at a price we can afford -- and every dollar counts in a startup. I know I've seen people post here that Obamacare was an enabling factor for them, and it's now obviously at risk. So the policy discussion about what it should be replaced with is very relevant to us.
This piece, along with others I've read recently, suggests to me the following overview of the problem:
() The market for health care services is highly distorted. Not only is there no price transparency, but patients don't even have the authority to make purchase decisions on their own behalf -- that's done for them by the doctors. To the extent patients have any say in the matter, they are unlikely to be in an emotional state conducive to hard-nosed negotiating, if there is any urgency to the matter at all.
() Multiple special interest groups have gotten themselves politically entrenched. The service providers may be the most successful of these, but there are also the insurance companies and the malpractice lawyers. The amount of money flowing through the system supports armies of lobbyists, who have compromised legislators of both parties.
() There are no easy solutions here, no free lunches. You can’t have all the good parts of an unregulated insurance market (freedom to buy what you want, when you want, with market pricing) without the bad parts (steadily rising premiums and insurance that is unaffordable for people who are old and sick). At the same time, you can’t have all the good parts of a socialized system (universal coverage at affordable prices) without freedom-reducing mandates and regulations and large doses of subsidies from some people to other people. [0]
So, HNers, what's the solution? Would love to hear people's thoughts.
Personally I can't resist fantasizing that Trump will come to the same conclusion I have: single payer is the only solution. It would be like Nixon going to China. Trump (whose election I vigorously opposed) is unencumbered by considerations of who donates how much to which Congressional campaigns. And for all his flaws, he's a hell of a salesman. If he gets it into his head that this is the solution, it could really happen.
A pipe dream, I know. But would you like to see it? If not, what do you think would be better?
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/12/donal...
Re: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]
#3Some of the blame in many of these situations should fall upon the patients for choosing the care they did. Especially when it is a planned operation. I haven't finished reading the whole article, but so far it doesn't seem to be considering this point. I don't wish to defend the existing system in any way, but these providers just seem to be giving people what they ask for.
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#4I came across this last night and stayed up too late reading it. It's a fascinating exposé of where at least a good part of the money is going -- the extra money that we Americans spend on health care that doesn't bring us any better outcomes. I think it's relevant to HN because a lot of us with families and/or in middle age can't risk quitting our jobs to start startups without assurance that we'll be able to buy ad…
Re: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]
#5I came across this last night and stayed up too late reading it. It's a fascinating exposé of where at least a good part of the money is going -- the extra money that we Americans spend on health care that doesn't bring us any better outcomes. I think it's relevant to HN because a lot of us with families and/or in middle age can't risk quitting our jobs to start startups without assurance that we'll be able to buy ad…
I'm for single payer but it will never happen until Democrats get the White House and congress. Paul Ryan is planning on privatizing Medicare asap
I also am not sure the Democrats could do single-payer even if they had the White House and Congress. They take plenty of money from the special interests too.
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#6I came across this last night and stayed up too late reading it. It's a fascinating exposé of where at least a good part of the money is going -- the extra money that we Americans spend on health care that doesn't bring us any better outcomes. I think it's relevant to HN because a lot of us with families and/or in middle age can't risk quitting our jobs to start startups without assurance that we'll be able to buy ad…
Obama, Trump, Clinton. senators, representatives -- none (or very few) of these people have any medical background and really can do little else but screw it up as badly as if the government was the single provider of all software.
Re: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]
#7I came across this last night and stayed up too late reading it. It's a fascinating exposé of where at least a good part of the money is going -- the extra money that we Americans spend on health care that doesn't bring us any better outcomes. I think it's relevant to HN because a lot of us with families and/or in middle age can't risk quitting our jobs to start startups without assurance that we'll be able to buy ad…
>The real issue isn’t whether we have a single payer or multiple payers. It’s whether whoever pays has a fair chance in a fair market. Congress has given Medicare that power when it comes to dealing with hospitals and doctors, and we have seen how that works to drive down the prices Medicare pays, just as we’ve seen what happens when Congress handcuffs Medicare when it comes to evaluating and buying drugs, medical devices and equipment.
> Stripping away what is now the sellers’ overwhelming leverage in dealing with Medicare in those areas and with private payers in all aspects of the market would inject fairness into the market. We don’t have to scrap our system and aren’t likely to. But we can reduce the $750 billion that we overspend on health care in the U.S. in part by acknowledging what other countries have: because the health care market deals in a life-or-death product, it cannot be left to its own devices. Put simply, the bills tell us that this is not about interfering in a free market. It’s about facing the reality that our largest consumer product by far — one-fifth of our economy — does not operate in a free market.
The article's list of actionables seem like a good first step:
> We should tighten antitrust laws related to hospitals to keep them from becoming so dominant in a region that insurance companies are helpless in negotiating prices with them.
> we should tax hospital profits at 75% and have a tax surcharge on all nondoctor hospital salaries that exceed, say, $750,000
> We should outlaw the chargemaster.
> Finally, we should embarrass Democrats into stopping their fight against medical-malpractice reform and instead provide safe-harbor defenses for doctors so they don’t have to order a CT scan whenever, as one hospital administrator put it, someone in the emergency room says the word head.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm for single payer but it will never happen until Democrats get the White House and congress. Paul Ryan is planning on privatizing Medicare asap
I don't know that Paul Ryan's opinion matters too much at this point. I also am not sure the Democrats could do single-payer even if they had the White House and Congress. They take plenty of money from the special interests too.
Personally, I believe that Plan B was written to fail. Government creates problems. How do you solve the problem? More government.
Obamacare, imho, was created as the groundwork for single payer. I just don't think they expected it to fail so hard and so fast.
I have no faith in single payer... for example, look at the VA. Months of wait times for those who need the help... while those at the top get lavish bonuses.
Re: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]
#9I came across this last night and stayed up too late reading it. It's a fascinating exposé of where at least a good part of the money is going -- the extra money that we Americans spend on health care that doesn't bring us any better outcomes. I think it's relevant to HN because a lot of us with families and/or in middle age can't risk quitting our jobs to start startups without assurance that we'll be able to buy ad…
I'm for single payer but it will never happen until Democrats get the White House and congress. Paul Ryan is planning on privatizing Medicare asap
Re: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]
#10I came across this last night and stayed up too late reading it. It's a fascinating exposé of where at least a good part of the money is going -- the extra money that we Americans spend on health care that doesn't bring us any better outcomes. I think it's relevant to HN because a lot of us with families and/or in middle age can't risk quitting our jobs to start startups without assurance that we'll be able to buy ad…
A pet peeve of mine is certificate of need laws:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/con-certificate-of-need-...
The notion is to reduce capital expenditures and save costs, but they are a big part of why the hospital in the article can get away with charging so much for cat scans -- there's no competition. Of course it is going to be difficult to go to an outside imaging center during an emergency room visit, but when the outside imaging center advertises $500 prices, the patient will at least know there is something a bit fishy about the $3000 bill from the hospital.
They probably make a lot of sense for something like an ER, where there is a high up front cost and a lot of staffing costs and you can make reasonable predictions about demand. They don't make any sense for equipment that only used to be expensive.