McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
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McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
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Re: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
#2McAfee desperately needs some PR help on this one. It will be much better in the long run to put a large, prominent announcement on the their site linking to instructions, etc. Even better would be an 800-number so that affected customers could call and be walked-through the process of fixing their PCs.
Yes, this would hurt the bottom line, but it is just good business.
Re: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
#3I think this is a pretty good example of how "Enterprise Software" will continue to quickly lose favor with customers. My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery.
Just look at the release budgets for enterprise software - sales and marketing are at the top, while R&D and support are at the bottom.
If any open source implementation of anything like this happened, I can assure you the comitters and developers would be appalled and embarrassed (in public), and significant lessons would be learned all within users view.
Meanwhile, in the "Enterprise Software" arena such as McAfee's - their learned lessons are clear. How do we spin this? And how do we align our marketing and sales teams to minimize the impact on our sales models.
I'm just shaking my head at this one...
Serious lessons to be learned here...
Re: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
#4McAfee desperately needs some PR help on this one. It will be much better in the long run to put a large, prominent announcement on the their site linking to instructions, etc. Even better would be an 800-number so that affected customers could call and be walked-through the process of fixing their PCs. Yes, this would hurt the bottom line, but it is just good business.
Or even offer to ship a physical copy of the fix if they really want to go the extra mile.
Re: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
#5I think this is a pretty good example of how "Enterprise Software" will continue to quickly lose favor with customers. My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery. Just look at the release budgets for enterprise software - sales and marketing are at the top, while R&D and support are at the bottom. If any open sou…
It's also a good example of why an organization needs to continuously evaluate vendors of their software. McAfee long ago slipped into the pile of "not good enough" system security vendors while plenty of other alternatives shot past them in the virus/malware detection space. Basically they've been coasting on the good name they built up in the past, but I wouldn't think of installing any of their software on my system from the last 3-4 years. Slow, buggy, system resource hog, poor detection results, etc. This is all pretty common knowledge at this point. An enterprise should go through a yearly eval of all baseline software and find better alternatives. Or at the very least, when the software comes due for another purchase.
The thinking should be, if they've gotten sloppy about their core business, they are going to get sloppy elsewhere...and that's exactly what happened here.
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relevant quote from the article, "One thing I’m picking up from that coverage is that McAfee is pretty much a spent force, especially in the consumer PC protection market, and I shouldn’t be relying on the company to keep my PC safe anyway." Even Mr. Wainewright fell into the trap of not caring about critical security software on his system. It was news to him that they've fallen off the horse. It scares me that somebody who couldn't even be bothered to stay up to date on something like this has a column on ZDnet. Maybe I'm being unfair, but like I said, McAfee has had this reputation for piss poor software for at least 3 years.
Re: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
#6McAfee desperately needs some PR help on this one. It will be much better in the long run to put a large, prominent announcement on the their site linking to instructions, etc. Even better would be an 800-number so that affected customers could call and be walked-through the process of fixing their PCs. Yes, this would hurt the bottom line, but it is just good business.
Why? In a matter of days even the most computer savvy of folks will have put this behind them. McAfee will still be bundled with Localtown-ISP or installed on the new desktops. Mom and pop will see that their "subscription" is about to expire and won't even wonder if this was the program that broke something with svhost.exe.
While you and I may agree that it would be good business for them to go out of their way to fix this and clean up their image, I just don't think it really matters in the long run. I would be surprised if they do anything other than, "Whoops. The next signatures are here".
Re: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
#7I think this is a pretty good example of how "Enterprise Software" will continue to quickly lose favor with customers. My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery. Just look at the release budgets for enterprise software - sales and marketing are at the top, while R&D and support are at the bottom. If any open sou…
> I think this is a pretty good example of how "Enterprise Software" will continue to quickly lose favor with customers. My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery.
How so? According to McAfee, the problem only affected less than 0.5% of their non-enterprise customers. I'm sure only small fraction of those affected will decide to switch their vendor; the rest of non-technical crowd will simply ignore this.
> My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery.
> Just look at the release budgets for enterprise software - sales and marketing are at the top, while R&D and support are at the bottom.
We have actual data to debate this: McAfee's annual financial statement, http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:MFE&fstype=ii.
In 2009, McAfee spent $839mn on SG&A and $325mn on R&D. Sure, the R&D number is less than SG&A, however:
- SG&A number includes administrative expenses, paying rent for buildings, providing customer support etc.
- $325mn on R&D is a huge number. Assuming fully-loaded annual developer cost of $200k, it's 1.6k developers working full-time on this product. I'm not sure how many open-source software project have similar number of at least part-time developers involved. Even taking into account "A Mythical Man-Month" etc. is still a significant resource.
Having a decent anti-virus product requires, among other things:
- Having full-time dedicated security experts - and by experts I mean people who literally have decades of experience in the field. You cannot become a security expert overnight.
- Dealing with thousands of different software/hardware environments at customer machines
- Regularly updating virus databases, monitoring threats 24/7 and providing rapid updates for every new virus/trojan
- Providing decent customers support to all of your non-technical customers who don't know much about computers.
I don't know how well McAfee handles all the tasks above - I'm not their customer, and not affiliated with them in any way. I just want to emphasize that anti-viruses are non-trivial, and there is no existing open-source business model today that can handle this complexity.
Re: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
#8I think this is a pretty good example of how "Enterprise Software" will continue to quickly lose favor with customers. My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery. Just look at the release budgets for enterprise software - sales and marketing are at the top, while R&D and support are at the bottom. If any open sou…
vtail has already done a good job of proving most of your statements as false, but I would like to drive the point further:
"If any open source implementation of anything like this happened, I can assure you the comitters and developers would be appalled and embarrassed (in public), and significant lessons would be learned all within users view."
There is no merit to this argument as the open source development model hasn't proved itself capable of delivering a competitive anti-virus solution. The most well known open source anti-virus software has consistently been ranked as poorly performing.
Re: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
#9I think this is a pretty good example of how "Enterprise Software" will continue to quickly lose favor with customers. My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery. Just look at the release budgets for enterprise software - sales and marketing are at the top, while R&D and support are at the bottom. If any open sou…
> I think this is a pretty good example of how "Enterprise Software" will continue to quickly lose favor with customers. My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery. How so? According to McAfee, the problem only affected less than 0.5% of their non-enterprise customers. I'm sure only small fraction of those affect…
> In 2009, McAfee spent $839mn on SG&A and $325mn on R&D. Sure, the R&D number is less than SG&A, however:
- SG&A number includes administrative expenses, paying rent for buildings, providing customer support etc.
Building rentals, fixed assets depreciation, services and energies used can go to COGS (R&D) if it is possible to allocate them to specific cost center. If you have building (or part of it) dedicated to developers, it will go to their cost center & COGS. Similarly their equipment and other items.
The SG&A part will have depreciations, rentals etc. only for sales & communication, IT, finance, HR, management and other support functions.
Well, my point is, that R&D in their PL is not only cash out wages. It includes all other costs incurred by R&D.
Re: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
#10I think this is a pretty good example of how "Enterprise Software" will continue to quickly lose favor with customers. My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery. Just look at the release budgets for enterprise software - sales and marketing are at the top, while R&D and support are at the bottom. If any open sou…
> I think this is a pretty good example of how "Enterprise Software" will continue to quickly lose favor with customers. My personal opinion is that the "Enterprise Software" market is now more than ever about sales and marketing rather than innovation and and delivery. How so? According to McAfee, the problem only affected less than 0.5% of their non-enterprise customers. I'm sure only small fraction of those affect…
McAfee has now changed their estimate to "[...] a small percentage of our enterprise accounts globally" http://siblog.mcafee.com/support/mcafee-response-on-current-...