Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
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Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
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Re: Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
#2No they do not. They had a head start from setting up a city-wide logistics company, but other than that there isn't much else.
Localization ? None of them localize. All of them are meant to serve the English-speaking classes. Flipkart said earlier that "churan" and "hing" don't count for "real" sales [1].
Honestly, I basically see multiple foreign entities fight it out. Ironically, American cos generally tend to localize far more than Indian cos (not AMA though).
[1] http://m.thehindu.com/business/Industry/rivals-find-it-shame...
Re: Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
#3Good-quality Internet/smartphone penetration is not as deep as you think. If you think it's a market of 1B people, you're sorely off the mark.
Then there's the issue of language. 10% or less of the population speaks and understands English.
Past that, there's the issue of credit cards/digital wallets and willingness to pay for online services (not just goods).
Finally, while there's a massive middle class that does access the web on their phones, most of their usage is limited to facebook, whatsapp, and the like.
There are likely less than 50-75M english-speaking, smartphone-enabled, credit-card/wallet-enabled consumers.
With time this will get better, but for now I feel like irrational exuberance has gone a little too far in funding 4-5 similar startups in a single category.
Re: Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
#4Compared to any other market for Internet startups in the world, India is the least homogenous (type of consumer) and shallow of them all (when you measure it against the size of the population). Good-quality Internet/smartphone penetration is not as deep as you think. If you think it's a market of 1B people, you're sorely off the mark. Then there's the issue of language. 10% or less of the population speaks and unde…
So approximately the entire population of the UK? Not the full 1.2 billion, of course, but nothing to sneeze at.
Re: Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
#5Startups we've seen use funding to attract customers. They offer attractive deals, and when they're done, the same customers move on to the next startup. Startups will be popular as long as the price is right, and as long as there is funding.
There are going to be some successful startups in India that won't be in the limelight. They'll be small and won't take over the country, or the world.
Re: Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
#6The Indian customer is extremely price-centric. Price trumps everything. The biggest startups today are the online retailers. The Indian customer switches to whoever offers the best deal, not the best convenience. It was Flipkart, PayTM, Snapdeal, then Amazon. People no matter how financially well off or educated or technology-friendly, will still squeeze every penny's worth out of a business and will go any distance…
You think people will rush to Amazon, if overnight becomes just as expensive as B&N ?
Re: Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
#7Compared to any other market for Internet startups in the world, India is the least homogenous (type of consumer) and shallow of them all (when you measure it against the size of the population). Good-quality Internet/smartphone penetration is not as deep as you think. If you think it's a market of 1B people, you're sorely off the mark. Then there's the issue of language. 10% or less of the population speaks and unde…
It's not that bad; I've met folk who make ~$200 month use 3G on their phones (mostly for downloading movies).
It's not clear how to make money off such a poor (but large) demographic (other than say, manufacturing-export).
> Then there's the issue of language. 10% or less of the population speaks and understands English.
There also exists no tangible educational resources for these 90%. At this point, however, inexorable Anglicization, is really the only direction staring India in the face; anything else will basically destroy the current system of power/governance.
Even the so-called "Hindu nationalists" don't want that; neither do the organizations that ostensibly "fight" for the native languages (and there are just way too many of these). Not surprisingly, there is rather a big effort to console the rebelling mass by giving them reservations in private corporations, on the basis of linguistic origin in addition to the usual caste-pawning.
It'd have been less farcical were this acknowledged, and India went full-steam on its agenda. Even if this were to take place, the pace of this Anglicization would (as it has been) by necessity be extremely slow, often producing many more people with no grasp of any single language, and by extension also without much proficiency with logic/reason.
Ergo, India, as I have been persuading (irritating) folk on HN, is quite literally doomed (in the short term). The English-speaking mass might've been a force to reckon with were it separate country, but it is widely spread over and often governed by people who are the most stupid/unenlightened/corrupt political elite (see education) I've ever seen (or can imagine).
Indian cities are bubbles of reality of a particular self-selected class, which is often more familiar with the US than a village 50 km out. News from within the reality distortion field is not the best indicator of anything. It'd be like SFO folk claiming to make US into a $100 Trillion economy (even this would be a under-rated comparison, since India's nominal GDP is just $2 Trillion).
Note: When I say India, I actually mean India-Pakistan-Bangladesh-Nepal-Bhutan.
Myanmar/Sri Lanka may have better futures; so might Nepal-Bhutan (too early to tell).
Re: Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
#8The Indian customer is extremely price-centric. Price trumps everything. The biggest startups today are the online retailers. The Indian customer switches to whoever offers the best deal, not the best convenience. It was Flipkart, PayTM, Snapdeal, then Amazon. People no matter how financially well off or educated or technology-friendly, will still squeeze every penny's worth out of a business and will go any distance…
Re: Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
#9Compared to any other market for Internet startups in the world, India is the least homogenous (type of consumer) and shallow of them all (when you measure it against the size of the population). Good-quality Internet/smartphone penetration is not as deep as you think. If you think it's a market of 1B people, you're sorely off the mark. Then there's the issue of language. 10% or less of the population speaks and unde…
Why restrict yourself to do business with only english-speaking people?
Re: Zen and the Art of Surviving India's Startup Crash
#10The Indian customer is extremely price-centric. Price trumps everything. The biggest startups today are the online retailers. The Indian customer switches to whoever offers the best deal, not the best convenience. It was Flipkart, PayTM, Snapdeal, then Amazon. People no matter how financially well off or educated or technology-friendly, will still squeeze every penny's worth out of a business and will go any distance…
How exactly is this different from the US ? You think people will rush to Amazon, if overnight becomes just as expensive as B&N ?