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With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Some highlights:

  Microsoft installed an app in users’ system trays advertising
  the free upgrade to Windows 10.

  Not satisfied, the company eventually made Windows 10 a
  recommended update so users receiving critical security updates
  were now also downloading an entirely new operating system onto
  their machines without their knowledge.
This is essentially equivalent to saying: You've been running whatever version of Windows, but we'll trick you into installing Windows 10.

  Specifically, when prompted with a Windows 10 update, if the
  user chose to decline it by hitting the ‘X’ in the upper right
  hand corner, Microsoft interpreted that as consent to download
  Windows 10.
The previous trick didn't work on all of you, so we'll go on to change the default behavior of our dialog boxes in order to trick you into installing Windows 10.

  By default, Windows 10 sends an unprecedented amount of usage
  data back to Microsoft, and the company claims most of it is to
  “personalize” the software by feeding it to the OS assistant
  called Cortana.

  And while users can opt-out of some of these settings, it is
  not a guarantee that your computer will stop talking to
  Microsoft’s servers.
This probably explains it all.

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Microsoft appears to have learnt a lot from LinkedIn [0].

[0] https://twitter.com/darylginn/status/590664399041519617

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Should have just branded it Windows 7 SP2. But I guess everyone expects MS to support multiple branches of code forever. These discussions always avoid talking about the merits of data-driven design and always assume malicious intent.

Not sure what else has changed, but the changes in personalization (including Cortana) and telemetry changes warrant that it be called a new version.

With LinkedIn in it's arsenal, Microsoft now wants to surpass Google in the amount of user information that can be collected.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Should have just branded it Windows 7 SP2. But I guess everyone expects MS to support multiple branches of code forever. These discussions always avoid talking about the merits of data-driven design and always assume malicious intent.

If I buy a computer and/or pay Microsoft money, I think it's reasonable for me to expect my computer to do what I'd like it to do (and only what I'd like it to do). The problem isn't data-driven design, it's how the data is being collected.

I'd be annoyed if my home builder occasionally came through my house while I was gone in an attempt to analyze how I was arranging furniture and using my space. They could, undoubtedly, use that data to better their future work - but I'd still feel violated.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Should have just branded it Windows 7 SP2. But I guess everyone expects MS to support multiple branches of code forever. These discussions always avoid talking about the merits of data-driven design and always assume malicious intent.

I would argue that no, it's not an assumption of malicious intent, it's an assumption that Microsoft will not keep this data private and contained. It will leak, either to governments (which Microsoft has time and time again helped without a question of whether they should) or to other non-scrupulous actors.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

#7

Should have just branded it Windows 7 SP2. But I guess everyone expects MS to support multiple branches of code forever. These discussions always avoid talking about the merits of data-driven design and always assume malicious intent.

You should write a blog about the merits and submit it to HN, throw-away-account guy.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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post #2

Some highlights: Microsoft installed an app in users’ system trays advertising the free upgrade to Windows 10. Not satisfied, the company eventually made Windows 10 a recommended update so users receiving critical security updates were now also downloading an entirely new operating system onto their machines without their knowledge. This is essentially equivalent to saying: You've been running whatever version of Win…

I think this slightly understates just how sleazy Microsoft were about it, if anything. Before the dialog that interpreted closing it with the X in the corner as agreement to install Windows 10, they rolled out a similar-looking dialog where that was the only way to avoid install Windows 10 - clicking on any of the buttons in the dialog would cause it to be installed.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Should have just branded it Windows 7 SP2. But I guess everyone expects MS to support multiple branches of code forever. These discussions always avoid talking about the merits of data-driven design and always assume malicious intent.

> But I guess everyone expects MS to support multiple branches of code forever.

No, I only expect Microsoft to support their software for exactly as long as they promised to when releasing said software.

They can't just cheat themselves out of support contracts like that.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

#10
I certainly agree that Microsoft have been very underhanded in some of their approaches.

What really grinds my gears though is the lack of interest people have in maintaining their tools. If your computer is central to running your business you should be informed about upcoming updates as computer downtime is a threat to your business.

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