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“Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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I think using Tor as it is intended to be used requires some change in user's browsing habits as well. So pulling in all the Tor specific settings into firefox won't be much help if the user then goes and signs into facebook and gmail.

What if the incognito mode makes Firefox something much closer to Tor ?

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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It would be really cool if Tor became like an open web standard that every browser supported. We would be able to freely host services with incredibly strong privacy guarantees and then work them into existing web infrastructure so that normal users can benefit from strong privacy without having any special knowledge.

Doing the same thing with Bitcoin wallets would also be a good idea, though I'd want for there to be a much better security model before that's considered ... otherwise every new browser zero-day will be the equivalent of being able to mass hack bank accounts.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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I think using Tor as it is intended to be used requires some change in user's browsing habits as well. So pulling in all the Tor specific settings into firefox won't be much help if the user then goes and signs into facebook and gmail.

I think it'd be a pretty darn powerful addition to Private Browsing, though. Perhaps "Off the Grid" mode or some additional third level of privacy that comes with a warning about never logging into services, etc, if you truly don't want to be tracked.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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I think using Tor as it is intended to be used requires some change in user's browsing habits as well. So pulling in all the Tor specific settings into firefox won't be much help if the user then goes and signs into facebook and gmail.

Let's take this one step at a time.

Before the user habits can be an issue we need to have the framework in which they can be a problem.

I'm sure that we can develop prompts and warnings to aid users if they attempt to visit these sites in a fashion analogous to unsecure site warnings.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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I think using Tor as it is intended to be used requires some change in user's browsing habits as well. So pulling in all the Tor specific settings into firefox won't be much help if the user then goes and signs into facebook and gmail.

I'm not sure how this is relevant to the post?

They're not talking about giving Firefox a "tor mode". The Tor browser uses Firefox under the hood with a few add-on and flipped default settings. Currently, it uses a fork of Firefox with slight modifications (like the ability to disable mathml). They intend to make it so that this fork is unnecessary. The Tor browser will probably continue to be something you need to install to use.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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It would be really cool if Tor became like an open web standard that every browser supported. We would be able to freely host services with incredibly strong privacy guarantees and then work them into existing web infrastructure so that normal users can benefit from strong privacy without having any special knowledge. Doing the same thing with Bitcoin wallets would also be a good idea, though I'd want for there to be…

> It would be really cool if Tor became like an open web standard that every browser supported.

Isn't it already? My understanding is that nothing is stopping you from using the Tor service as a proxy for all your traffic. They just offer the Browser Bundle to make it dead simple for users. You could download their so-called "expert bundle" and use that to route any traffic you want.

https://www.torproject.org/download/download.html.en

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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post #4

It would be really cool if Tor became like an open web standard that every browser supported. We would be able to freely host services with incredibly strong privacy guarantees and then work them into existing web infrastructure so that normal users can benefit from strong privacy without having any special knowledge. Doing the same thing with Bitcoin wallets would also be a good idea, though I'd want for there to be…

> It would be really cool if Tor became like an open web standard that every browser supported. Isn't it already? My understanding is that nothing is stopping you from using the Tor service as a proxy for all your traffic. They just offer the Browser Bundle to make it dead simple for users. You could download their so-called "expert bundle" and use that to route any traffic you want. https://www.torproject.org/downlo…

I think parent means natively supporting tor as a protocol in the browser. Eg another "incognito mode", and native support for the onion tld. It would indeed be cool.
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