Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
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Re: Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
#2"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." - Frank Zappa
Re: Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
#3I'm starting to think that the book Manufacturing Consent should be part of our school curriculum. I'd suggest seeing through media spin is a very useful life skill.
Re: Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
#4> Boris Johnson said that British people would continue to be able to live, work and study in the EU, while at the same time the UK would be able to introduce a points-based system to control migration.
I can hardly understand how can so many people believe such an obvious liar.
Re: Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
#5"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." - Frank Zappa
Stupidity is supposedly infinite, because intelligence is a very small needle in the search space of good decision making and understanding, the rest of that space is made of stupidity.
Re: Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
#6Leave says that the EU in undemocratic. But the EU is a democracy. It is certainly much more democratic than the British first-past-the-post and the house of Lords. Saying that the EU in undemocratic is just a meme.
Then there is the question about the UK contributions. The UK does get its money worth, by the profit made trading in one of the biggest markets in the world (and with the countries that have trade deals with that market). By the investment that flows to UK (the FDI). By being part of continent that is much more prosperous then it would be otherwise.
The UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK.
Leave says that the UK has too many migrants, but it has fewer migrants than Ireland, Austria, Norway, Switzerland. Roughly the same number as France and Germany.
The Leave camp doesn't have a plan and is awfully misinformed as to how the world works. It is a populist movement and that is all there is to it.
Though to be fair, I would like to see a bit of compromise from the EU side of table. They are simply too intransigent.
In theory everyone in Spain can move to Malta. Of course this would never happen in practice. But if the people in Malta are worried. The EU should consider providing them the legal means to deal with that hypothetical scenario. Instead of saying, its free movement, and that's it.
Re: Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
#7I can say the vitriol after the result has been crazy. My FB has dozens and dozens of posts from Remoaners decrying the idiots, racists, and old people who dared to vote against their righteous interest. At least there's a bit of humour now that England have been booted out of the European Championship.
And it's all come out AFTER the result. Before the result, I suppose people thought it would go to Remain, but also there was very little activity. At least in my feed.
I'm quite shocked by how little sympathy my friends have for the other side. There's a real split between people in the UK. People are saying they're "ashamed" of their country, they don't get why vast swathes of ordinary people away from London would want to leave Europe.
For the record, most of my friends are university educated and voted Remain. The most powerful feature in classifying between the two camps seems to be university education (seems 100% of my non uni educated friends went for leave), the second conservatism (uni educated conservative voters more likely to be leavers).
I'm somewhat indifferent on the issue; I reckon leaving will send a signal about reforming the EU, but also the UK needs to trade with Europe, so they cannot ever really leave. Any deal done will end up looking like Switzerland, which says it's not in the EU, but for practical stuff is. Do I think that's worth the hassle of actually leaving? Pretty marginal.
Re: Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
#8> Boris Johnson said that British people would continue to be able to live, work and study in the EU, while at the same time the UK would be able to introduce a points-based system to control migration. I can hardly understand how can so many people believe such an obvious liar.
You start by making education expensive, then put a Trump forward.
Re: Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
#9I'm starting to think that the book Manufacturing Consent should be part of our school curriculum. I'd suggest seeing through media spin is a very useful life skill. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
Doesn't everyone practice this, every day? It's not exactly news that the media are powerful and biased.
Re: Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
#10I'm starting to think that the book Manufacturing Consent should be part of our school curriculum. I'd suggest seeing through media spin is a very useful life skill. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
The corrupt have already got their hands on education - 40% of schools are acadamies. I don't see Noam Chomsky being included in the curriculum, ever!