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Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

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Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

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"Wonder about the witnesses in all these stories, who coincidentally always seem to consist of the same set of people."

Yeah... From what I've seen, the confirmed first-person stories suggest that Appelbaum is probably a huge asshole, but the worst stuff is contained in anonymous accounts filtered through a handful of people, at least one of whom has a weird axe to grind about "plagiarism".

Something feels very off about the whole coordinated effort. This is not a normal way to accuse someone of terrible criminal behavior, by mixing those stories in with mere jerkitude.

Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

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@jillbaeh confirming authorship: https://twitter.com/jillbaeh/status/741023991041646592

Thank you!

But, since these are Tor people, shouldn't statements be digitally signed?

Does a confirmation tweet from anything less than a celebrity mean anything?

Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

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post #4

"Wonder about the witnesses in all these stories, who coincidentally always seem to consist of the same set of people." Yeah... From what I've seen, the confirmed first-person stories suggest that Appelbaum is probably a huge asshole, but the worst stuff is contained in anonymous accounts filtered through a handful of people, at least one of whom has a weird axe to grind about "plagiarism". Something feels very off a…

I think the first-person stories of @hypatiadotca [0] and @violetblue [1] suggest more than that.

[0] https://hypatia.ca/2016/06/07/he-said-they-said/

[1] https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446500891860992 / https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446782505779200 / etc. (argh twitter)

Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

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post #4

"Wonder about the witnesses in all these stories, who coincidentally always seem to consist of the same set of people." Yeah... From what I've seen, the confirmed first-person stories suggest that Appelbaum is probably a huge asshole, but the worst stuff is contained in anonymous accounts filtered through a handful of people, at least one of whom has a weird axe to grind about "plagiarism". Something feels very off a…

>Something feels very off about the whole coordinated effort. This is not a normal way to accuse someone of terrible criminal behavior, by mixing those stories in with mere jerkitude.

The "murder, rape, and jaywalking" language used by the original complainants really raised red flags for me, as well. The fact that all of the accusers mention plagiarism, of all things, suggests they have an axe to grind and see this as a legitimate move in that fight.

Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

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@jillbaeh confirming authorship: https://twitter.com/jillbaeh/status/741023991041646592

Thank you! But, since these are Tor people, shouldn't statements be digitally signed? Does a confirmation tweet from anything less than a celebrity mean anything?

Not everyone involved in Tor and the surrounding community is a cryptographer who uses PGP regularly, or even at all; AFAIK Jill Baeh is not.

In any case, basically you'd be saying that Twitter and/or her Twitter acount is compromised, as a few others are interacting with that account, and have been following her since well before the tweet (I personally know many of the people in the conversation around Jill's tweet). In the unlikely event this is true, I think we'll find out soon enough. edit: I personally am a Bitcoin dev who uses PGP regularly, and in a similar situation even I can see myself being lazy and not signing my statement.

tl;dr: I'd be happy to bet a beer that the Tweet is authentic. :)

Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

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When I read all the complainers stories my initial reaction was I noticed a fairly consistent style of "spinning" each account in a way to smear Applebaum. They each seemed designed to imply he did evil things, without truly saying it.

Today we get this account, from one of Applebaum's supposed "victims" and, surprise surprise, her tale is pretty innocent and de-spun and totally oppositely aligned from the anti-Applebaum portayals we heard initially.

I bet more of the anti-Applebaum tales will start to get debunked. It sounded way too fishy and too much like a coordinated smear. Even the symmetry with how Assange (another big Wikileaks guy) was smeared by his Swedish sex thing seemed like a suspicious coincidence.

There may or may not be some kernal of truth in those anti-Applebaum statements. But there also smells like a lot of poorly disguised bullshit spin wrapped around it.

Keep in mind this space involves the NSA, Wikileaks, state actors, billion dollar budgets, multi-billion dollar empires at stake. False flag ops, bribery and propaganda are a real thing that govs do. Established historical reality.

Also... Rape is a real thing, and when it happens, thats bad. Lying and spinning and smearing are also real things that happen. So much of the skepticism we sometimes see about the former, unfortunately, is because of the latter. Truth is sometimes murky and often nuanced, or he-said/she-said.

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