Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
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Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
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Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#2New car, 5 days old, seems from the onset that it is driver error as someone was in the vehicle behind the wheel. New vehicles are a major change to routine. Speculation... the data might reveal that the wife lied to cover crashing a 5 day old car.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#3That is some terrible reporting. Who knows what will come of this accident, but the one referenced where the guy claims the car ran into a trailer on it's own was pretty well refuted by Tesla's black-box style monitoring.
It raises the question of how to prove the trustworthiness of the event recording. I suppose an audit of their recording mechanisms could be enough, but it would be nice if the permanent recorder was made by a third party.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#4New car, 5 days old, seems from the onset that it is driver error as someone was in the vehicle behind the wheel. New vehicles are a major change to routine. Speculation... the data might reveal that the wife lied to cover crashing a 5 day old car.
This story will certainly be more interesting once Tesla publishes the data from their side.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#5Unlike the previous accident, which the Tesla S literally doesn't have the sensors to see the above-ground trailer... this Model X crashed into the side of a building. I'd like to assume that the below-chassis sensors would have been able to pick that up.
I'm more concerned about edge-cases like the Tesla S autonomous crash rather than cases like this one. My current assumption (pending evidence: we don't have any yet so we can only assume) is that the driver is the blame in this specific case.
We'll see when more data comes in.
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Unfortunately, I don't think it is moral for a car company to install sensors and use sensor data against the car's owner.
If I buy the car, then the whole car is allegedly mine: including these sensors that only Tesla can tap into. The fact that I don't have access to all the sensor data means that Tesla's definition of "ownership" is rather convoluted compared to a normal car.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#6New car, 5 days old, seems from the onset that it is driver error as someone was in the vehicle behind the wheel. New vehicles are a major change to routine. Speculation... the data might reveal that the wife lied to cover crashing a 5 day old car.
This story will certainly be more interesting once Tesla publishes the data from their side.
The story is already interesting because Tesla does this, and no other car company seems to.
Tesla monitors your driving behavior so that they can save face and blame the driver if things go bad. I don't know of any other car company that does this.
Those monitors are installed to protect the company image, not you.
Its like you're buying a $100,000 piece of spyware. The car isn't your possession. Its sensor data belongs to Tesla the company, and not you. Despite your purchase of the vehicle. And that's assuming that Tesla's secret black-box technology is actually legitimate, and that they're not making stuff up / hiding the truth from us.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#7I'm very skeptical about it. A lot of accidents happen when people confuse the brakes and acceleration paddle. Furthermore, the person who had the accident claimed the break was unresponsive. This could further mean she confused the paddles and instead of breaking, she accelerated even more.
I'm happy to hear, though, that the person was not heavily injured (she had burns on her arms but I don't think they are of the second or third degree because she would have mentioned that). Those accidents can be quite dangerous (especially in fast cars like the tesla).
I'm looking forward for the black box reporting
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#8Tesla is quick to publish data that shows driver error, I wonder if they will be as quick to do so if it actually is a software issue. My guess however is that any refusal to publish the black box data will be taken as an admission of guilt.
I get the impression that the media is just itching for an actual software error so they can start a FUD firestorm about SDCs.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#9New car, 5 days old, seems from the onset that it is driver error as someone was in the vehicle behind the wheel. New vehicles are a major change to routine. Speculation... the data might reveal that the wife lied to cover crashing a 5 day old car.
Or the wife might be telling the truth, but be mistaken about what happen. It's fairly common for people to press the accelerator by accident thinking it's the brake, then press it harder in a panic since it's clearly not working. The result is exactly as described here, with the car suddenly accelerating forward and the driver insisting that they were hard on the brakes but they didn't work.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#10Tesla is famous for publishing the logs. The owner should be aware of this before making claims. It would have been prudent to keep this quiet till Tesla had a chance to respond. Now if the logs prove it was driver error Tesla will publish the logs and all this outrage would be over nothing. On the other hand if this was an error in Tesla's system it is in Tesla's best interest to be transparent and publish the logs and an explanation on how it intends to fix this.
Either way a public outrage was not required unless the owner wanted to ensure he got a new car even if it was the driver's fault. By claiming ""I don't' know if they're going to acknowledge if it was their fault," Puzant said.", the owner wanted to cast doubt on Tesla's integrity and also give himself an "out" if Tesla determined it was driver's fault.