Welcome to Magenta – Google music AI project
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Welcome to Magenta – Google music AI project
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#2I can't wait for the AI pop charts!
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#3Having recently spent some time browsing the submissions of /r/deepdream and seeing how far computer generated imaging has come, I have no doubts that one day we will be listening to wonderful sounds that are generated by artificial intelligence. However an intrinsic part of the music (to me, anyways) as an art form, is the humanity of it. A computer can generate lyrics that are relatable on the surface, but knowing that there isn't a person behind those words, feeling what I'm feeling, definitely detracts from the experience of the whole.
That being said, this is incredibly exciting to me, and I look forward to seeing how it progresses, and probably challenges my ideas of what music is
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#4This is interesting, but it feels a lot like a moonshot, and it isn't even groundbreaking. The approach may be novel but folks have been trying this for a while http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2010/05/ill_be_...
Can code generate a catchy pop tune? Im sure it can. Would I qualify it as music? Probably not.
Music can pull from sources that are EXTERNAL to the music: Heres a modern track that does just such a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvtNS6hbVy4
Music can have some very non traditional structure that most would qualify as "noise" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYaWND9n9h0
Hell music can even be "silent" http://rosewhitemusic.com/piano/writings/silence-taught-john...
Ultimately, I think that it is possible for a machine to generate music, but were going to be talking about something that is more or less an AI at that point, after all music has a soul.
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#5If AI generated music works out and becomes popular will people actually optimize for quality of music or instead you would have an Engineering team design the next Pop star which would be optimizing for Profitability and marketability.
Re: Welcome to Magenta – Google music AI project
#6This is interesting, but it feels a lot like a moonshot, and it isn't even groundbreaking. The approach may be novel but folks have been trying this for a while http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2010/05/ill_be_... Can code generate a catchy pop tune? Im sure it can. Would I qualify it as music? Probably not. Music can pull from sources that are EXTERNAL to the music: Heres a modern track that does just suc…
What about it sounds like a moonshot? It's using an existing Google open source project and is looking to use it for an artistic purpose along with building a community. Honestly it sounds like a 20% project from a couple of people on the TensorFlow project. Almost 0 cost.
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#7Having recently spent some time browsing the submissions of /r/deepdream and seeing how far computer generated imaging has come, I have no doubts that one day we will be listening to wonderful sounds that are generated by artificial intelligence. However an intrinsic part of the music (to me, anyways) as an art form, is the humanity of it. A computer can generate lyrics that are relatable on the surface, but knowing…
> but knowing that there isn't a person behind those words, feeling what I'm feeling, definitely detracts from the experience of the whole.
It would be very interesting to create a secret fake person profile and publish AI generated music under that fake name and see if humans feel identified with the lyrics and music. See how far it goes, who knows, maybe create the next super star. Then to later reveal the secret.
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#8This is interesting, but it feels a lot like a moonshot, and it isn't even groundbreaking. The approach may be novel but folks have been trying this for a while http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2010/05/ill_be_... Can code generate a catchy pop tune? Im sure it can. Would I qualify it as music? Probably not. Music can pull from sources that are EXTERNAL to the music: Heres a modern track that does just suc…
I don't know about that. The whole idea of "having a soul" is so nebulous that it's hard to build a view on top of it. Do we have souls? If yes, is it possible to mechanically replicate a soul? If not, why not? What's a soul?
If instead you define art as the communication of things that can't be fully expressed by direct sterile language, that's something I can get behind. Going that route, I think that getting AI to create real art has some pretty clear challenges, but there are also ways whers I could see it being better than humans.
Depending on how the AI learns and analyzes it has a chance to have a unique perspective on human communication. From there, it can find new and innovative ways of identifying gaps between primal human experiences and sterile human communication - and with a unique understanding of human communication could come up with fascinating ways of bridging those gaps.
This is all spitballing, but I think AI could eventually be the main new frontier in art.
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#9They can just program the AI to use the 4 chords most pop songs already use?
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#10There's music and then there's music. I'm glad they are at least thinking about long narrative structures.
Ultimately I don't think this is a very worthwhile because I personally believe the entire definition of art and music is a production that is filtered through the human experience. The same piece of music would mean more to me coming from a human than from an AI or program. If someone told me it was from a human and then later told me it actually came from an AI, it wouldn't really accomplish anything deep; it'd just make me feel tricked.