Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Drop jQuery as a dependency from Rails

github.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

1–10 of 123 posts

Re: Drop jQuery as a dependency from Rails

#2

Post by tacos »

Someone in DHH's position could approach jQuery and request a subset containing what he needs. And then other projects could benefit from the refactor.

If there's even a benefit. This same post by the leader of any other project would involve a study of which components and apps use jQuery. And would state how far back compatibility is to be maintained.

So, for example, if commonly used gems require it, or if 90+% of the rails apps in the field require jQuery for other reasons, then this is just code churn for no benefit.

And why is this even a "rewrite"? You can suck the relevant lines of code out of jQuery and call it done. This is not a "Summer of Code" length endeavor.

Re: Drop jQuery as a dependency from Rails

#4

Post by k__ »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #3

As a web dev for the last 15 years or so, this is amazing news. The browsers are finally getting to a point where the pain jQuery solved, is going away.

Is this a legacy thing?

I'm a web dev for 10 years now and never used jQuery directly. (I used Ember for half a year, which seems to have jQuery as dependency)

Re: Drop jQuery as a dependency from Rails

#6

Post by xentronium »

spriggan3 wrote: post #5

Rails should stop messing with Javascript all together. Drop JQuery, CoffeeScript, TurboLinks and what not and let the users decide what to use, make it optional. Rails shouldn't require a JS engine in order to run.

You're missing the central point of default rails stack.

http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/2012/rails-is-omakase.htm...

Re: Drop jQuery as a dependency from Rails

#7

Post by jaitsu »

k__ wrote: post #4
monk_e_boy wrote: post #3

As a web dev for the last 15 years or so, this is amazing news. The browsers are finally getting to a point where the pain jQuery solved, is going away.

Is this a legacy thing? I'm a web dev for 10 years now and never used jQuery directly. (I used Ember for half a year, which seems to have jQuery as dependency)

If you've been a web dev for 10 years then you'll know that the most fundamental tool for scripting is a pain point (document ready), jQuery did a good job of abstracting the nuances away, see: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/799981/document-ready-equ...

Re: Drop jQuery as a dependency from Rails

#8

Post by jcbrand »

k__ wrote: post #4
monk_e_boy wrote: post #3

As a web dev for the last 15 years or so, this is amazing news. The browsers are finally getting to a point where the pain jQuery solved, is going away.

Is this a legacy thing? I'm a web dev for 10 years now and never used jQuery directly. (I used Ember for half a year, which seems to have jQuery as dependency)

So did you do JS development back in 2006 without jQuery?

Re: Drop jQuery as a dependency from Rails

#9

Post by zeemonkee3 »

spriggan3 wrote: post #5

Rails should stop messing with Javascript all together. Drop JQuery, CoffeeScript, TurboLinks and what not and let the users decide what to use, make it optional. Rails shouldn't require a JS engine in order to run.

This is one of the best things about Django - outside the admin interface it's not opinionated about your frontend setup.

Re: Drop jQuery as a dependency from Rails

#10

Post by jsmith0295 »

spriggan3 wrote: post #5

Rails should stop messing with Javascript all together. Drop JQuery, CoffeeScript, TurboLinks and what not and let the users decide what to use, make it optional. Rails shouldn't require a JS engine in order to run.

The new TurboLinks is one of the best things about Rails 5, though. You can basically get UX comparable to an SPA with mostly server code.

As for coffeescript, you can just remove the gem and it'll use regular JS.

https://www.nateberkopec.com/2015/05/27/100-ms-to-glass-with...

Post reply on HN