Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by pcestrada » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 5:57 PM UTC

Adobe CTO on the state of Flash
blogs.adobe.com

Re: Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by howcool » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 6:08 PM UTC

This should be interesting

Re: Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by romland » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 6:32 PM UTC

His strongest argument to keep Flash relevant is "the coming HTML video implementations cannot agree on a common format across browsers".

Boy, they are in worse shape than I first thought. They will open source the parts they own of this beast, the problem is it will be too late to make a difference.

Sure, he brings up the fact that they can update the majority of Web clients in less than a year. But what was it they said about the currently fastest growing web-browser out there? 95% of browsers updated within the span of a few weeks? (I don't recall the sources, sadly)

And this one is almost too good to not take out of context: "We strongly believe the Web should remain an open environment with consistent access to content and applications". Oh well.

Re: Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by flogic » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 6:33 PM UTC

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! I say we arrange for wrestling matches between the executives of Apple and Adobe.

Re: Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by bad_user » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 6:38 PM UTC

Jeez, just let the market sort it out ... if the demand is really that high, Apple will just suck it and add Flash to the iPad. Otherwise stop your bitching, you can't win them all.

The iPhone story is irrelevant in this context ... I don't think there are too many people wanting to play flash-games or to watch porn on that little screen ... especially since you need both hands to navigate its tiny browser ;)

Their strong response to the iPad does show one thing though ... they are getting desperate and they are really afraid of HTML5.

Open Access? That should be more like "convenient access". Open access is when the standard is open and has been implemented by third-parties. That's not Flash.

Re: Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by kqr2 » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 6:51 PM UTC

flogic wrote: post #4

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! I say we arrange for wrestling matches between the executives of Apple and Adobe.

I know you are just kidding but this reminds me of the story of how the CEO of Southwest Airlines (Kelleher) challenged the CEO of Stevens Aviation to an arm wrestling match in 1992 to settle a dispute over the use of a tagline.

http://www.pbs.org/kcet/chasingthesun/innovators/hkelleher.h...

Re: Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by mrduncan » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 6:57 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #5

Jeez, just let the market sort it out ... if the demand is really that high, Apple will just suck it and add Flash to the iPad. Otherwise stop your bitching, you can't win them all. The iPhone story is irrelevant in this context ... I don't think there are too many people wanting to play flash-games or to watch porn on that little screen ... especially since you need both hands to navigate its tiny browser ;) Their s…

I completely agree with you, but in the interest of lively discussion I'll play devils advocate for a second here and point out Gordon [1] which is an open-source flash implementation written in Javascript and Gnash which is an open-source flash movie player [2].

[1] http://github.com/tobeytailor/gordon

[2] http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/

Re: Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by sjs382 » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 6:59 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #5

Jeez, just let the market sort it out ... if the demand is really that high, Apple will just suck it and add Flash to the iPad. Otherwise stop your bitching, you can't win them all. The iPhone story is irrelevant in this context ... I don't think there are too many people wanting to play flash-games or to watch porn on that little screen ... especially since you need both hands to navigate its tiny browser ;) Their s…

"[Adobe was] the strongest opponent of Theora becoming the official video-codec"

How did you come to that conclusion? The codecs were removed from the standards docs because browser vendors couldn't agree on a video format, not Adobe. Apple refused to include Theora support in Safari.

Re: Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by chaostheory » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 7:04 PM UTC

Open Laszlo (http://www.openlaszlo.org/) a pre-cursor to Adobe's FLEX, can generate rich web UI front ends with or without Flash. Devs can use an IDE for it (I believe an Eclipse plugin).

This open source project is getting more interesting now.

Re: Adobe CTO on the state of Flash

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Post by bad_user » Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 7:09 PM UTC

sjs382 wrote: post #8

bad_user wrote: post #5

Jeez, just let the market sort it out ... if the demand is really that high, Apple will just suck it and add Flash to the iPad. Otherwise stop your bitching, you can't win them all. The iPhone story is irrelevant in this context ... I don't think there are too many people wanting to play flash-games or to watch porn on that little screen ... especially since you need both hands to navigate its tiny browser ;) Their s…

"[Adobe was] the strongest opponent of Theora becoming the official video-codec" How did you come to that conclusion? The codecs were removed from the standards docs because browser vendors couldn't agree on a video format, not Adobe. Apple refused to include Theora support in Safari.

Yeah, sorry ... I probably misread something, seeing now that I can't find a reference. So I removed that.