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Is France's AZERTY keyboard heading for the scrapheap?

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Re: Is France's AZERTY keyboard heading for the scrapheap?

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I hope the replacement will be programmer-friendly. I still remap my French keyboards in QWERTY because I never got accustomed to hunt for programming characters on AZERTY keyboards.

I don't know how useful it would be to get programmers and IT pros on-board, in order to help adoption.

Re: Is France's AZERTY keyboard heading for the scrapheap?

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post #4

I hope the replacement will be programmer-friendly. I still remap my French keyboards in QWERTY because I never got accustomed to hunt for programming characters on AZERTY keyboards. I don't know how useful it would be to get programmers and IT pros on-board, in order to help adoption.

The article mentions Bepo as an alternative.

http://ccm.net/faq/32759-bepo-a-keyboard-layout-optimized-fo... says it is optimized for "typing French and programming languages".

Looking at the layout, it seems all programming punctuation is accessible via either Shift or AltGr, so only one modifier. http://static.commentcamarche.net/www.commentcamarche.net/pi...

Re: Is France's AZERTY keyboard heading for the scrapheap?

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> The culture ministry has commissioned Paris-based consultancy AFNOR to draw up a list of recommendations by the summer.

Yeah, as usual some minister gave money to business owned by a friend or family member for useless study. A french classic. And of course, impossible to know how much this study cost the tax payers ... I don't believe this kind of matter should be a priority of the culture ministry.

Re: Is France's AZERTY keyboard heading for the scrapheap?

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post #3

QWERTY is maybe more efficient (for english), but it is not as efficient as it could be. Unfortunately more efficient keyboard layouts are hard to establish.

It isn't so hard to establish. Colemak and its variants are clearly among the most efficient out there, and there are plenty of metrics one can use to judge, such as finger travel distance, alternating distribution of right and left hand use, and concentration of the most commonly used characters on the home row.

The problem is mainly that it isn't default, which can make it annoying unless you don't mind buying native colemak keyboards.

Changing your caps lock key to a backspace provides most of the finger travel benefits of colemak with much less annoyance.

Re: Is France's AZERTY keyboard heading for the scrapheap?

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Good riddance! But we've yet to see what they come up with as a replacement. Besides, I'm not sure a different keyboard will help with people laziness and spelling deficiencies.

Personally, I'm perfectly fine with my qwerty keyboard, and it doesn't prevent me from typing specific French letters "é, è, ç, à, É ...". It's actually very easy to type these letters on a mac keyboard. Apple did a good job on this.

"option - e e = é" "option ` - a = à"... I don't know how to type "oeuf" or "oeil" though.

Re: Is France's AZERTY keyboard heading for the scrapheap?

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post #3

QWERTY is maybe more efficient (for english), but it is not as efficient as it could be. Unfortunately more efficient keyboard layouts are hard to establish.

You can be bi-keyboardial. On my home computer I use a modified version of swedish dvorak (svdvorak). I thought that since svdvorak isn't available anywhere I might as well go full obscure.

I type almost as fast with qwerty, but vastly prefer not having to move my fingers that much.

On a separate note: you don't have to be that smart to modify dvorak to something better. Just switching u and i and d and h brings a lot.

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