Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped
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Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped
#2Another reason to never use windows again.
Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped
#3Regardless of how you fall on this issue, this article is clearly highly biased.
If you read their link "detailed data"[0] you can see there is an issue but you can also see that the level of invasion is low with most telemetry disabled.
This article links to that, but then ignores that author's conclusions (that it is a relatively light level of privacy invasion) to draw this conclusion:
> So how concerned should users be about Windows 10’s default data collection policies? I would say very.
But the author's articles are only really pro-Apple and anti-Microsoft, just look at their back catalogue [1]. They've written about Windows 10 problems weekly for months, getting more and more inflammatory each time.
So how concerned should readers be about the author's obvious bias? I would say very.
[0] http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/08/even...
Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped
#4Regardless of how you fall on this issue, this article is clearly highly biased. If you read their link "detailed data"[0] you can see there is an issue but you can also see that the level of invasion is low with most telemetry disabled. This article links to that, but then ignores that author's conclusions (that it is a relatively light level of privacy invasion) to draw this conclusion: > So how concerned should us…
> you can also see that the level of invasion is low with most telemetry disabled.
Regardless of their history, something along the lines of "We will invade your privacy and you can't disable it, but the level of invasion is low, and you have no choice but to trust us on this" doesn't sound reassuring to me.
I don't want to go there, but one can easy question if you have pro-Microsoft tendencies (or even sponsored by Microsoft ), because we're talking about invasion of user privacy at the hands of a corporation, and just because it's a "low-level of invasion [that can't be turned off]" doesn't make it OK for users, be it Microsoft or Apple.
Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped
#5Regardless of how you fall on this issue, this article is clearly highly biased. If you read their link "detailed data"[0] you can see there is an issue but you can also see that the level of invasion is low with most telemetry disabled. This article links to that, but then ignores that author's conclusions (that it is a relatively light level of privacy invasion) to draw this conclusion: > So how concerned should us…
"Relatively light level of privacy invasion" is still privacy invasion.
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#6Ugh, the "cloud" comes to the desktop. Companies like to have all kinds of telemetry and forced non-security updates, both of which are easy to have with a hosted application. "You'll take whatever we throw up on the server, and we'll watch you like it."
Some of us poor software users don't always like one or both of these things, and client-side software is great at avoiding them: you choose when to install newer versions, and whether the software talks to the developer. Sadly, companies are figuring out how to "cloud up" client-side software with forced updates [1] and always-on telemetry, and Microsoft is jumping on the bandwagon in a big way. Maybe reverse firewalls will catch on like browser ad blockers have; probably not, but there's always a chance.
[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/17/windows-1...
Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped
#7Regardless of how you fall on this issue, this article is clearly highly biased. If you read their link "detailed data"[0] you can see there is an issue but you can also see that the level of invasion is low with most telemetry disabled. This article links to that, but then ignores that author's conclusions (that it is a relatively light level of privacy invasion) to draw this conclusion: > So how concerned should us…
Ascribing sides to people like "pro-Apple and anti-Microsoft" is exactly the same thing as complaining about the liberal media. It's both irrelevant and damages your credibility.
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#8I don't understand how Windows 10 can be used in a lot of small business environments.
If you are big enough to get the enterprise version, everything apparently can be tweaked. But there are a lot of tiny businesses that order a PC from Dell, install some software for their vertical, and then do little more than regularly install updates. My old dentist was a two person operation. They aren't going to get the enterprise version yet they need to handle medical and billing records securely.
Either I'm totally misinformed, or the professional version of Windows isn't suitable for many professionals. I'd be happy if somebody could explain why it's the former.
I also wish Microsoft were more transparent about the data that is sent to them. Why is a machine with all the options set with privacy in mind still in constant contact with Microsoft?
Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped
#9I posted this in a different thread but am reposting here for the folks that do move to Win10.
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PSA: For people with Windows 10 installed, I've found the following tool quite useful in shutting down the large amount of information collected and transmitted.
Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped
#10I don't understand how Windows 10 can be used in a lot of small business environments. If you are big enough to get the enterprise version, everything apparently can be tweaked. But there are a lot of tiny businesses that order a PC from Dell, install some software for their vertical, and then do little more than regularly install updates. My old dentist was a two person operation. They aren't going to get the enterp…
Well, mostly what they would lose is the None/Security level. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208(v=vs.85... has a description of the levels. The minimum for Open License is only five copies BTW.