My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga
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Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga
#2Shameful.
Since both her and a part of Livecoding are in the EU, EU data protection laws probaby make the situation fairly clear (and give her tools do deal with it, but it shouldn't be necessary)
Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga
#3This is a terrible practice for consumers, but a huge strategy win for startups(AOL zombie account trick .. hope they forget about wanting to delete or cancel).
I ran into this awful practice with Uber after a hack they know about lets your account be hacked by London drivers who rip you off for rides in London (im in the states). I went to my forgotten Uber account to cancel and found out I have to email support and further I cant remove all payment options from my account either. WTF ... as a consumer any company who follows such a practice needs their ass handed to them.
On the other hand as startup person I can see the slimey merit in following said practices.
Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga
#4Here is my interaction with livecoding.tv's support about removing videos, they don't seem to like removing stuff from their website!
https://www.livecoding.tv/video/designing-a-touch-screen-int... @ 20:37
Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga
#5The issue here is not that Livecoding.tv isn't removing this individual's account, but that individuals sign up for things with the expectation they have rights to their data. Here's a gem from Livecoding.tv's TOS which clearly indicates their intent with other people's data:
> All Materials contained on the Livecoding.tv Service are the proprietary property of Livecoding.tv or its subsidiaries or affiliated companies and/or third-party licensors. All trademarks, service marks, and trade names are proprietary to Livecoding.tv or its affiliates and/or third-party licensors. Livecoding.tv reserves all rights not expressly granted in these Terms of Service. Unless otherwise expressly stated in writing by Livecoding.tv, you are granted a limited, non-sublicensable license (i.e. a personal and limited right) to access and use the Livecoding.tv Service for your personal or internal business use only.
In short, if you sign up for an account on their site, they own EVERYTHING. They don't have to delete your account because all of their users agreed to these terms by using the site. Looking through the TOS, there is nothing mentioned about canceling accounts.
I'm empathetic to the author of the article, but I will point out that expecting ownership of your content after giving up ownership of your content is logically unsound.
Shaming aside, not signing up for a centralized service with limited rights like this in the first place would have resulted in less suffering for everyone involved.
Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga
#6The issue here is not that Livecoding.tv isn't removing this individual's account, but that individuals sign up for things with the expectation they have rights to their data. Here's a gem from Livecoding.tv's TOS which clearly indicates their intent with other people's data: > All Materials contained on the Livecoding.tv Service are the proprietary property of Livecoding.tv or its subsidiaries or affiliated companie…
I think you are quoting the part the protects their( livecoding.tv's ) intellectual property and , and not the streamer.
The license for the streamers stars at 11.Broadcasters.
It seems you are allowed to cancel the license:
11. Broadcasters
a.License from Livecoding.tv.
If you sign up for an account as a Streamer, subject to your compliance with these Terms of Service, Livecoding.tv hereby grants to you a personal, limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, freely revocable license to use the Livecoding.tv Service for the uploading and distributing of authorized digital content, including videos (" Broadcaster Content ").
and:
2.Except for Broadcaster Content already downloaded by users, the foregoing license granted by you terminates regarding a specific piece of Broadcaster Content once you remove or delete that Broadcaster Content from the Livecoding.tv Service.
Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga
#7I've been unimpressed with LiveCoding.tv's spammy tactics as well.
The decided to enable email notification of video streams for users who have already signed up by using an opt-out system rather than opt-in system.
I created an account out of casual interest and then weeks later got slammed with dozens of spammy "stream is starting" emails every day.
I did actually try to delete my account as well but gave up when it appeared that they didn't allow for that option. Instead I've just been training Google that all the email from them is Spam.
Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga
#8The issue here is not that Livecoding.tv isn't removing this individual's account, but that individuals sign up for things with the expectation they have rights to their data. Here's a gem from Livecoding.tv's TOS which clearly indicates their intent with other people's data: > All Materials contained on the Livecoding.tv Service are the proprietary property of Livecoding.tv or its subsidiaries or affiliated companie…
> expecting ownership of your content after giving up ownership of your content is logically unsound.
...which is why the OP is only really concerned about account deletion, not content deletion (the second half of the article). I am surprised Livecoding has not figured a way to have even a "shell" account with no personal data left but still have the content left untouched, considering the stringent EU laws surrounding personal data.
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#9Can you change the gender on your account? Switch it over to male and set up a couple dozen pseudonyms to throw off their count.
If Livecoding has aligned their interests with the gender ratio of their users to the extent that they're treating you like this, makes sense to speak back to them on their own terms. IMHO.
Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga
#10The issue here is not that Livecoding.tv isn't removing this individual's account, but that individuals sign up for things with the expectation they have rights to their data. Here's a gem from Livecoding.tv's TOS which clearly indicates their intent with other people's data: > All Materials contained on the Livecoding.tv Service are the proprietary property of Livecoding.tv or its subsidiaries or affiliated companie…
I think you are quoting the part the protects their( livecoding.tv's ) intellectual property and , and not the streamer. The license for the streamers stars at 11.Broadcasters. It seems you are allowed to cancel the license: 11. Broadcasters a.License from Livecoding.tv. If you sign up for an account as a Streamer, subject to your compliance with these Terms of Service, Livecoding.tv hereby grants to you a personal,…
I read through that, but that last part basically says "if someone hasn't watched your content, you can revoke the license from the content by deleting it". If anyone has seen any of the other content, the company owns a perpetual license for it. Regarding their site content, it would appear they think they own everything on the site, including user content:
> Unless otherwise indicated, all Content and other materials on the Livecoding.tv Services, including, without limitation...
That goes on to list all types of content, that the content is trademarked, copyrighted, etc. and then states they own all of the licenses to it, as I mention in my comments above.
In comparison, here's Github's statement on the rights to content:
> We claim no intellectual property rights over the material you provide to the Service. Your profile and materials uploaded remain yours.