Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
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Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
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#2Sorry for the off-topic-ness, but it really irks me when the US auto industry is referred to as "Detroit." I grew up in Flint, MI and currently live just outside of Detroit, and the implication that the US auto industry is here is, frankly, rather offensive. Sure, there are a couple plants here and there, and corporate HQs, of course, but after what the US auto industry did to the blue collar workers in Flint and Detroit (among others here in MI), it feels disingenuous to say that the US auto industry is "here."
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#3I don't understand why everyone keeps pretending there's a smooth continuum: "He says they contain GM’s road map to autonomy, starting with “Driver in charge” in 2010, progressing to “Driver mostly in charge” this year, to “Car mostly in charge” in 2020, and finally “Car in charge” in 2025."
That just doesn't make sense. To my mind, there's "cruise control" as it exists today, and "car drives itself completely and safely even in adverse conditions". Pretending that it's safe to suddenly hand over to the human in an emergency is just crazy.
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#4I don't understand why everyone keeps pretending there's a smooth continuum: "He says they contain GM’s road map to autonomy, starting with “Driver in charge” in 2010, progressing to “Driver mostly in charge” this year, to “Car mostly in charge” in 2020, and finally “Car in charge” in 2025." That just doesn't make sense. To my mind, there's "cruise control" as it exists today, and "car drives itself completely and sa…
Honestly, I think it's because the auto makers are completely out of their depth when it comes to machine learning, and are either pretending they're not while they get their act together, or pretending they're not while the ship slowly sinks…
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#5Detroit being the first to market here is possibly one of the worst things that can happen. The last thing that this area of tech needs is Detroit ruining its reputation before it even really kicks off.
US auto manufacturers are worse than laggards when it comes to the electronic systems they embed in their vehicles -- things like Ford MyTouch are borderline hostile to the user, and Jeep has definitely demonstrated a dangerous level of malfeasance when it comes to such things. US manufacturers also arguably lag behind when it comes to core automotive technologies as well.
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Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#7I don't understand why everyone keeps pretending there's a smooth continuum: "He says they contain GM’s road map to autonomy, starting with “Driver in charge” in 2010, progressing to “Driver mostly in charge” this year, to “Car mostly in charge” in 2020, and finally “Car in charge” in 2025." That just doesn't make sense. To my mind, there's "cruise control" as it exists today, and "car drives itself completely and sa…
Where does Tesla's autopilot fit "in your mind?" I doubt if Telsa is done. More hardware and software will be in future cars, but we probably won't have your final vision for several years.
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#8Detroit being the first to market here is possibly one of the worst things that can happen. The last thing that this area of tech needs is Detroit ruining its reputation before it even really kicks off. US auto manufacturers are worse than laggards when it comes to the electronic systems they embed in their vehicles -- things like Ford MyTouch are borderline hostile to the user, and Jeep has definitely demonstrated a…
I'm very skeptical of anyone who develops AVs. Obviously GM, Chrysler, and Ford wouldn't be the best to develop such software. But even Google causes me to get a little scared. After using Google services and products for so long, I've noticed they tend to go with an innovate now, refine later method. Which can be good for some industries that are very light-hearted so to speak, but for cars, this scares me. Maybe Google can pull off a very well designed autonomous driving system, and I don't doubt that they have the talent to do it. But nevertheless, I remain a skeptic.
Re: Can Detroit Beat Google to the Self-Driving Car?
#9Detroit being the first to market here is possibly one of the worst things that can happen. The last thing that this area of tech needs is Detroit ruining its reputation before it even really kicks off. US auto manufacturers are worse than laggards when it comes to the electronic systems they embed in their vehicles -- things like Ford MyTouch are borderline hostile to the user, and Jeep has definitely demonstrated a…
I'm very skeptical of anyone who develops AVs. Obviously GM, Chrysler, and Ford wouldn't be the best to develop such software. But even Google causes me to get a little scared. After using Google services and products for so long, I've noticed they tend to go with an innovate now, refine later method. Which can be good for some industries that are very light-hearted so to speak, but for cars, this scares me. Maybe Go…
I'd also be worried about what kind of support organization Google would through behind an AV platform.
Historically, they seem to be pretty bad at this. I've never had a positive experience with Google support, whether it was for an 'Enterprise' product, or for consumer products. In my experience, they've always got amazingly friendly support staff, but their technical knowledge and ability to resolve issues has always been a major shortcoming.
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#10I don't understand why everyone keeps pretending there's a smooth continuum: "He says they contain GM’s road map to autonomy, starting with “Driver in charge” in 2010, progressing to “Driver mostly in charge” this year, to “Car mostly in charge” in 2020, and finally “Car in charge” in 2025." That just doesn't make sense. To my mind, there's "cruise control" as it exists today, and "car drives itself completely and sa…
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