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Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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One crucial point made in this article which had somehow passed me by is how devoid of credibility the West's intelligence agencies have become. I know it has been known for a while since Snowden, but the implications are far-reaching.

It has come to something when social media can point the same spotlight on whole armies doing things they would rather keep secret as it has done on politicians doing the same.

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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This all also shows how important (neutral) web-archiving services like archive.org or archive.is are - they work like a free equivalent of a notarized screenshot, as usual .png screenshots can be forged with simple browser tricks.

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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There's good on book on MH17 that was published a while ago: http://www.amazon.co.uk/MH17-story-shooting-Malaysian-airlin...

It came to a similar conclusion as the dutch report, the main issue with the dutch report is it's too little to late and the government had repeatedly delayed publishing it while they searched for a way to indirectly accuse Russia. The dutch report is quite weak in that it won't take the next logical step given the evidence available and accuse Russia of ordering the downing of MH17.

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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post #3

One crucial point made in this article which had somehow passed me by is how devoid of credibility the West's intelligence agencies have become. I know it has been known for a while since Snowden, but the implications are far-reaching. It has come to something when social media can point the same spotlight on whole armies doing things they would rather keep secret as it has done on politicians doing the same.

Wait, what?

Western intelligence came to the conclusion pretty early on that Russian separatists were to blame -- only Russia's intelligence still contradicts the content of this article, insisting that Ukraine was at fault.

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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post #3

One crucial point made in this article which had somehow passed me by is how devoid of credibility the West's intelligence agencies have become. I know it has been known for a while since Snowden, but the implications are far-reaching. It has come to something when social media can point the same spotlight on whole armies doing things they would rather keep secret as it has done on politicians doing the same.

> how devoid of credibility the West's intelligence agencies have become. I know it has been known for a while since Snowden

It's older than that. I remember 40 years ago it was possible that rather obvious facts (such as "you need to queue a long time to get basic consumer goods in the USRR") were dismissed simply because they could be labeled "CIA propaganda". In my country we even had an initiative for a "peace law", whose purpose was to outlaw discussion that might pose negative light on the Soviet empire, as any such discussion was obviously only there because it is spouted by the discredited Western intelligence agencies.

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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"Meanwhile, Russian officials denied the allegation. Officials of the producer of the Buk missile, Almaz-Antey, told a news conference on Tuesday that they had carried out their own analysis of traces found on the aircraft. They said even if the jet was shot down by a Buk, it was an old type that is no longer used by the Russian military.

The official also hinted that the missile was fired from a village in the Donetsk region, where Ukrainian forces were said to have been stationed at the time of the crash.

Russian deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov called the report an attempt to make a biased conclusion. He argued that the report had failed to take account of the Russian investigations."

From:

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20151014_06.html

So, even if the truth is out in the open (and given the tweets right after hitting the plane there wasn't much doubt) there is apparently no way Russia is going to own up to this.

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