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US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death.

Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye.

The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548

> Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. It might help if they sought out experts from economics, sociology, psychology, etc., instead of telling everyone to stay in the their lane.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death. Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye. The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548 > Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. I…

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Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death. Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye. The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548 > Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. I…

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> The former is rarely lethal, the latter most often is.

Again, we're looking at one in a million stats for getting the clots, and one in six deaths amongst that tiny group of cases - without information yet on their comorbidities.

COVID itself causes clots. A lot more than 1/1,000,000. If you're afraid of clots, get the vaccines. Even the J&J one.

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2020-11-23-study...

> Overall, 20 percent of the COVID-19 patients were found to have blood clots in the veins...

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death. Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye. The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548 > Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. I…

I agree that on the surface these numbers are not alarming. That said I trust that the government agencies know what they are doing here. If anything there is tremendous political pressure to NOT scrutinize the vaccines.

There is enough anti-vaccine & Covid rhetoric that we should all cool it a little bit and let the experts do their jobs.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death. Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye. The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548 > Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. I…

Possibly they are nervous because it could signal deeper problems. If there is anything people should have learned from the pandemic is that it takes a few months for the medical profession to sort themselves out when new data appears on the scene.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death. Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye. The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548 > Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. I…

People keep repeating this myth of birth control. I don't know how doctors do their job in other countries but if they look at the patients health history this number is a myth. Luckily health officials here (ETA: Denmark) inform about these myths on television whenever the government holds a press conference about new Covid-19 measures but this isn't so everywhere so please stop spreading FUD.

ETA: I see you made ninja edits to your comment....

Edit 2: So now you replied that you only added a word or two and then deleted you comment while I were replying. Your comment was only half as long when I replied (all the Twitter stuff wasn't there for example).

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death. Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye. The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548 > Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. I…

Something that has fascinated me about the last year is that the pandemic has sped up the feedback loop on decisions like this. Seeing the impact of this decision won't take years and the outcome won't be unclear. In another few weeks, we'll very likely know that this was an overly cautious call that directly led to even more vaccine hesitancy, and lives lost as a result.
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