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Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Hi Guys--I'm a co-founder at HeapSort. We just launched our MVP this week and we're looking for constructive feedback from the developer and startup communities.

In the coming weeks we'll be launching a series of powerful resume building tools specifically for full stack engineers. It's not just another job board--we're going to totally change the way developers convey their skills to employers.

We welcome any thoughts, comments, or suggestions.

-Casey

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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Interesting idea. I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

I love the full stack and want to pursue it as my post-grad career. That being said, it seems like full-stack people are only really valuable in situations in which their full-stack capabilities of wearing multiple hats is competitively needed.

IMO, that only happens in the early stages of a startup or temporary resource constrained company (i.e. a project etc.). I.e. the working arrangements are in somewhat temporary in nature.

So the biggest issue I see with become a full stack developer is how to chase after these inevitable temporary work arrangements. That's my biggest hesitation: How do I make sure I have a constant stream of work if I assume that my current gig/work is gonna be limited in time.

I'm no expert, but I don't expect the conveyance of skills to be a major problem, it's more like a matching problem of people who need something done, but can't afford to hire multiple people for that.

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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What kind of filter will be in place to be assured that these are full stack jobs?

For example, for the Bradford and Galt Consulting Python/Django job... "some Javascript". This does not scream "full stack" job to me, "some Javascript". What do they use for DevOps? Will I get to write C or Go? Unless they use the SomeJavascriptMVC.js framework, I'm guessing their JS is... mostly trivial. To say nothing of DevSales or project management responsibilities.

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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post #4

Interesting idea. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I love the full stack and want to pursue it as my post-grad career. That being said, it seems like full-stack people are only really valuable in situations in which their full-stack capabilities of wearing multiple hats is competitively needed. IMO, that only happens in the early stages of a startup or temporary resource constrained company (i.e. a project…

There's nothing saying a full-stack developer can't focus on one area when needed? It's not as if you've specialized in generality -- you're just interested in everything.

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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post #4

Interesting idea. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I love the full stack and want to pursue it as my post-grad career. That being said, it seems like full-stack people are only really valuable in situations in which their full-stack capabilities of wearing multiple hats is competitively needed. IMO, that only happens in the early stages of a startup or temporary resource constrained company (i.e. a project…

Good points.

First off, thanks for checking out the site. You are absolutely correct that full-stack engineers are _not_ needed at organizations of every size and structure. They are, in my experience, in the highest demand in any organization that has a small to medium size technical team. The reality is that many teams of this size exist--there are far more small teams than their are large ones in the workforce. I come from a background in news media, specifically newspapers. Let me tell you that EVERY news organization, even at the local level, needs full stack developers. Almost none of them need, for example, an Angular.js specialist.

Larger organizations, especially proper software companies, can afford to diversify their workforce into highly focused and manageable skillets. But, that does not mean there is no place for the full stack engineer in these companies. Positions like Operations Managers, Data Architects, Heads of Technology, Directors of Application Development and even some Project Managers are filled very well by candidates with full stack engineering backgrounds.

So its important to note that these positions do exist in organizations of all sizes and in many cases, they are a fast moving career path into management. I do recommend this path post grad--I've been working as a full stack developer for nearly a decade, and the biggest struggle I've had is having to turn down work. That's exactly why I started this project, because I have more jobs coming across my desk than I can apply for.

In my personal experience recently as Head of Technology for a startup company, conveyance of skills really was a big challenge for us. We needed highly capable engineers, and headhunters were throwing us lots of unqualified talent. That's a tough pill to swallow when you are paying many thousands of dollars just to _search_ for talent on a startup's budget. I felt that had I been given some very quality insight into the skills of the talent pool, I could have done a much better job of vetting the candidates myself for our specific needs--another concept that pushed me to start this project!

-Casey

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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post #5

What kind of filter will be in place to be assured that these are full stack jobs? For example, for the Bradford and Galt Consulting Python/Django job... "some Javascript". This does not scream "full stack" job to me, "some Javascript". What do they use for DevOps? Will I get to write C or Go? Unless they use the SomeJavascriptMVC.js framework, I'm guessing their JS is... mostly trivial. To say nothing of DevSales or…

The filter is not there yet, but it will be soon.

We've got a proprietary algorithm in development that identifies the scope of both a candidates skills and the skills required by a position.

Without divulging too much secret sauce, we'll be filtering out positions that do not meet our definition of "full stack" and we'll also be conveying to candidates just how "full stack" each position is with a rating system.

Re: Show HN: HeapSort – Jobs for Full Stack Software Engineers

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post #4

Interesting idea. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I love the full stack and want to pursue it as my post-grad career. That being said, it seems like full-stack people are only really valuable in situations in which their full-stack capabilities of wearing multiple hats is competitively needed. IMO, that only happens in the early stages of a startup or temporary resource constrained company (i.e. a project…

There's nothing saying a full-stack developer can't focus on one area when needed? It's not as if you've specialized in generality -- you're just interested in everything.

Exactly. On my teams the idea is much less "we need you to work on everything" and much more "we need you to be able to work on ANY ONE THING when the need arises."
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