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Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by bodhi_mind »

komali2 wrote: post #84
qntmfred wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you have any suggestions for those who want to understand what this conflict feels for a regular Israeli just trying to live or Israelis 40 years ago today or 75 years ago or Palestinian Jews 100 years ago etc

Read diaries of anyone heteronormative living in a collapsing empire. The Israeli experience is swayed heavily by decades of supremacist propaganda which is unfortunately becoming baked into the religion. I've had a surprising number of conversations with Israelis about politics that at some point involved them mentioning Israelis being "god's chosen people." Even Israeli progressives have to couch opposition to war…

A lot of Israelis who reference “God’s chosen people” aren’t claiming superiority in the way it’s often interpreted abroad. In Jewish tradition, “chosen” historically means chosen for responsibility, not privilege. The phrase “light unto the nations” captures this: it’s about modeling ethical behavior, justice, and compassion, not dominating or controlling others.

Understanding this helps separate the original ethical meaning of “chosen” from the way it’s sometimes misinterpreted in political discourse: it’s meant to be a call to moral responsibility, not a claim of inherent superiority.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

#92

Post by iN7h33nD »

Aeolun wrote: post #89
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I tend to see is mostly an overlooking of one side's actions while condemning the other side, with different people favoring different sides. So you have people who make excuses for Hamas like "they are just responding to an existential threat" while strongly condemning Israel, and people who make similar excuses for Israel while strongly condemning Hamas. Personally I feel that there are no heroes and everyone…

Ok, the big problem in this whole thing is assymetrical nature of the thing. The Israelli military is a military funded and shaped by the US one, and it’s a mammoth in all the ways that matter. Hamas, after years of being supressed, is a group of militants with handguns. The Isrealli response to those terrorist with guns killing and abducting some of their people, was to flatten and impose collective punishment on th…

Exceptionally well put. I had to comment that this is exactly my take on this and I couldn’t have put it better in such a palatable few sentences.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

#93

Post by komali2 »

bodhi_mind wrote: post #91
komali2 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read diaries of anyone heteronormative living in a collapsing empire. The Israeli experience is swayed heavily by decades of supremacist propaganda which is unfortunately becoming baked into the religion. I've had a surprising number of conversations with Israelis about politics that at some point involved them mentioning Israelis being "god's chosen people." Even Israeli progressives have to couch opposition to war…

A lot of Israelis who reference “God’s chosen people” aren’t claiming superiority in the way it’s often interpreted abroad. In Jewish tradition, “chosen” historically means chosen for responsibility, not privilege. The phrase “light unto the nations” captures this: it’s about modeling ethical behavior, justice, and compassion, not dominating or controlling others. Understanding this helps separate the original ethica…

> chosen” historically means chosen for responsibility, not privilege.

> moral responsibility

Yes, this is identical to how it was stated by the three separate Israelis I had this conversation with that said it exactly this way.

I ask genuinely if you understand this:

Do you see how believing that a supreme being has granted "your people" a moral responsibility could easily lead to any actions "your people" do being ipso facto "moral" by definition of the fact it's performed by "your people?"

Do you see how just the mere separation of people into "chosen by god (even just to live better)" and "not chosen by god (not responsible for living better)" can easily create a supremacist ideology?

Do you understand that, from a scientific perspective framed in sociology and anthropology, there's no such thing as a Jewish person or non Jewish person in any externally consistent definition, that the definition is only enforceable by internal justifications, and that therefore it's arbitrary who is chosen and who isn't? And therefore exploitable by supremacists? See: e.g. Whiteness; Jews are white when it's convenient, and nonwhite when not convenient, same for Italians, Irish, Catholics...

Not to mention: Hassidic Jews in Israel refuse to participate in the military. Other Israeli Jews say this is traitorous to the Jewish people, not doing their part to keep Jews safe. Some Israelis say horribly racist things about Palestinians, comparing them to animals and openly calling for their extermination. Others don't. Which Jewish people are correctly implementing the moral responsibility set forth by the Jewish god?

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

#94

Post by FridayoLeary »

Aeolun wrote: post #89
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I tend to see is mostly an overlooking of one side's actions while condemning the other side, with different people favoring different sides. So you have people who make excuses for Hamas like "they are just responding to an existential threat" while strongly condemning Israel, and people who make similar excuses for Israel while strongly condemning Hamas. Personally I feel that there are no heroes and everyone…

Ok, the big problem in this whole thing is assymetrical nature of the thing. The Israelli military is a military funded and shaped by the US one, and it’s a mammoth in all the ways that matter. Hamas, after years of being supressed, is a group of militants with handguns. The Isrealli response to those terrorist with guns killing and abducting some of their people, was to flatten and impose collective punishment on th…

Check out Israels geography. If those "militants with handguns" hadn't gotten themselves distracted massacring people at a festival, they may well have reached Jerusalem and Tel Aviv in a couple of hours. As it is it's practically a miracle there wasn't a mass uprising of armed palestinians in the West Bank and Israel proper.

Your "assymetrical" point is especially bizzare. Palestinian terrorists have shown nothing but tremendous willingness and enthusiasm for attacking jews with literally anything they can lay their hands on including screwdrivers and vehicles. The total imbalance of forces doesn't deter them at all. Why would they having more weapons or Israel less change anything?

The main reason large portions of the strip has been flattened is because Hamas built tunnels underneath it.

You say it's disproportionate, but spend a couple of hours reading up israels history and geography. You might arrive at some conclusions about the nature of Palestinian terror (if the parent story wasn't enough). I doubt you could come up with literally any other solution. The only one i can think of is a mass evacuation of the gaza strip. It would have prevented a huge amount of deaths.

I think the main lesson jews learnt from the holocaust is not to rely on the rest of the world to help them when they are in trouble. I have absolutely no idea why you would think they must prioritise the moral lessons they learned above their own safety.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by Arcorann »

mh- wrote: post #31
culi wrote: post #6

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My Wikipedia Library membership gives me access to some cool resources that might be of interest: - Arcanum is the largest and continuously expanding digital periodical database from Eastern Europe, which contains scientific and specialized journals, encyclopaedias, weekly and daily newspapers and more - NewspaperARCHIVE.com is an online database of digitized newspapers, with over 2 billion news articles; coverage ex…

That's very cool, but I lack the 500+ total edits on Wikipedia to qualify. My first edit was 20 years ago this month and at my current pace I'll be able to access that in another 588 years. Is there some other way to pay [Wikipedia/WMF] for access to that bundle?

The 500 edits required for access to TWL is actually for all of the sites under the Wikimedia banner. If you're having trouble finding things to edit on Wikipedia, you can try their other sites such as Wikisource or Wikibooks.

On Wikisource in particular, it's fairly easy to make useful edits through validating proofread pages or proofreading simple pages (both of which can be easily found in the Monthly Challenge).

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by bodhi_mind »

komali2 wrote: post #93
bodhi_mind wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of Israelis who reference “God’s chosen people” aren’t claiming superiority in the way it’s often interpreted abroad. In Jewish tradition, “chosen” historically means chosen for responsibility, not privilege. The phrase “light unto the nations” captures this: it’s about modeling ethical behavior, justice, and compassion, not dominating or controlling others. Understanding this helps separate the original ethica…

> chosen” historically means chosen for responsibility, not privilege. > moral responsibility Yes, this is identical to how it was stated by the three separate Israelis I had this conversation with that said it exactly this way. I ask genuinely if you understand this: Do you see how believing that a supreme being has granted "your people" a moral responsibility could easily lead to any actions "your people" do being…

You’re right that claims of being “chosen” can be misused, but in classical Judaism it means chosen for personal moral responsibility, not automatic virtue or supremacy. The phrase “light unto the nations” emphasizes modeling justice, compassion, and humility through your own actions. Anyone who interprets it as justification for harming others or claiming inherent superiority is a fringe distortion, not representative of Jewish teaching.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

#97

Post by ilewn »

Aeolun wrote: post #89
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I tend to see is mostly an overlooking of one side's actions while condemning the other side, with different people favoring different sides. So you have people who make excuses for Hamas like "they are just responding to an existential threat" while strongly condemning Israel, and people who make similar excuses for Israel while strongly condemning Hamas. Personally I feel that there are no heroes and everyone…

Ok, the big problem in this whole thing is assymetrical nature of the thing. The Israelli military is a military funded and shaped by the US one, and it’s a mammoth in all the ways that matter. Hamas, after years of being supressed, is a group of militants with handguns. The Isrealli response to those terrorist with guns killing and abducting some of their people, was to flatten and impose collective punishment on th…

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Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by yen223 »

treetalker wrote: post #24

“To be completely cured of newspapers, spend a year reading the previous week’s newspapers.” ― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, The Bed of Procrustes: Philosophical and Practical Aphorisms

Reminder that you can see last week's (or any day's) HN front page using the `past` link

https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2025-11-16

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

#99

Post by Forgeties79 »

Given some of the ways we are still paying for the decisions of the Reagan administration to this day, this is not as reassuring as you make it out to be. If anything it just demonstrates how destructive a president and their administration can be and how the repercussions can be felt for decades.

Yeah many of the things people thought were a big deal turned out not to be, but plenty of things did…

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by [deleted] »

bdangubic wrote: post #64
andix wrote: post #5

Without mentioning the source of the articles, it's completely useless. It would be hard to detect completely AI hallucinated articles, without a possibility to check the authenticity of the content.

> It would be hard to detect completely AI hallucinated articles, without a possibility to check the authenticity of the content. you can check in a public library or https://google.com

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