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Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by raincole »

djrj477dhsnv wrote: post #76
yegle wrote: post #43

Chinese Netizens are very familiar with Xi Jinping's national ID number precisely for this reason :-) ID verification is enforced on all Chinese websites. People figured out they can just use Xi's ID number.

> ID verification is enforced on all Chinese websites. Is that really true? So search engines? News sites? Pseudo-anonymous discussion forums?

Don't listen to the sibling commenter who doesn't know what they're talking about.

No, you don't need ID verification to use search engine or read news in China.

However, sites that depend on user-generated content (like forums) would ask for at least your phone number.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by budududuroiu »

djrj477dhsnv wrote: post #76
yegle wrote: post #43

Chinese Netizens are very familiar with Xi Jinping's national ID number precisely for this reason :-) ID verification is enforced on all Chinese websites. People figured out they can just use Xi's ID number.

> ID verification is enforced on all Chinese websites. Is that really true? So search engines? News sites? Pseudo-anonymous discussion forums?

No, but some features are locked until you do. For example, you can join voice chat rooms on Xiaohongshu, but can’t turn on your camera until you verify ID. You can join others’ broadcasts but you can’t create your own, etc

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by wonderwonder »

How does this new policy not end with promising upstart political careers being torpedoed when the party in power “accidentally” leaks their porn history? There is no way the intelligence community doesn’t have a back door to this. Vote how we want on this bill or your embarrassing history just gets found

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

crinkly wrote: post #54
verytrivial wrote: post #53

Do please take a moment to consider which MPs carry the burden here. It's mainly a single flavour. Mention it on the doorstep next time. https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1926

What a fucking mess. Labour voted in conservative policy. Conservatives voted against it. Reform, whilst all over the news for being against it, voted for it.

I think it's fun when the elected government doesn't do what the people who elected them want. Like a middle finger to democracy.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by arrowsmith »

guessmyname wrote: post #90
arrowsmith wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The generated images are very obviously AI fakes. I don't think anyone is going to be seriously fooled by this. > I would pre-populate the list so when entering a new postcode, it doesn't stall waiting for AI. It looks like it already works like this? It was slow the first time I searched for my postcode, subsequent times have been very fast.

I wouldn't say they’re “obviously” AI fakes. I’m not from the UK, so I’m not familiar with what their IDs are supposed to look like. I was suspicious, though—the hands holding the ID cards looked kind of “crispy.” But at the same time, I thought, “woah, where did the website owner even get these photos?” It wasn’t until I read the Hacker News post that I realized they were all AI-generated (and now cached). And here’…

The text is slightly misaligned and weird-looking; it screams "AI". The hand holding the ID looks like CGI. And the photos don't look anything like the actual MP, at least for the ones that I tried.

There's also some obvious tells if you know what UK driving licenses look like: the layout is wrong, the background is too plain, and all the anti-forgery features are missing. Real licenses have much more detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_the_United_...

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by subscribed »

quintes wrote: post #73
crinkly wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a fucking mess. Labour voted in conservative policy. Conservatives voted against it. Reform, whilst all over the news for being against it, voted for it.

Wow this shows labour has too many MPs and the impacts of voting for labour

The alternative (4 more years of Tories) was still worse.

Yes, I know. still much worse

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by Hammershaft »

jojobas wrote: post #69
crinkly wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a fucking mess. Labour voted in conservative policy. Conservatives voted against it. Reform, whilst all over the news for being against it, voted for it.

Clamping down on freedoms is not conservative policy. Crap like Communications Act 2003 and Ofcom has been Labour policy for decades.

Conservatism isn't libertarianism. Conservative parties across the world, including in the anglosphere, often advocate for laws that limit freedom but accomplish ulterior conservative goals.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by arrowsmith »

qualeed wrote: post #30
nemomarx wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can fool discords implementation with a video game character they can't actually be checking very well?

I certainly agree! However, I doubt that's a strong legal argument.

What law is being broken here exactly?

It's certainly illegal to make fake IDs, but I don't know if that applies to just generating an image rather than fully forging a physical copy. And anyway these images look nothing like the real IDs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_the_United_...

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by marcus_holmes »

NicuCalcea wrote: post #68
timje1 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's literally just sticking the MPs name into an AI and asking for it to generate a mock ID for them. None of their real data is being used (e.g. their face, their DoB, the address) and the mock IDs wouldn't fool anyone for a second. I'd love if someone who understands the law would weigh in though

I don't think "It was actually ChatGPT that committed the crime, not me" would fly in a British court.

That's an interesting question, though.

We hold that LLMs are incapable of generating copyrighted images, so it's not just a tool - if it was just a tool then the author would be able to copyright the images. The courts recognise that an LLM is capable of generating things in its own right (which is why they're not copyrightable - copyrights only protect human works).

So it follows that an LLM must be able to create images itself, separate from the human prompter.

Whether that's enough to absolve the human of the crime, though - IANAL, and I suspect it would take the House of Lords to rule on it definitively.

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