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Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#91

Holy shit it's awesome! I've been bikepaking for two years now and I wish I had this tool I've used komoot in the past but I was never satisfied with the paths it suggested and had to rely on local guides I've checked with some of the past trips I id and it guesses correctly all of the best paths

Thanks man! Really glad to hear that. Actually, I had bikepacking and bike touring in mind while working on it as I love doing long cross-country bike trips every summer myself.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#92
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Looks interesting! Unfortunately doesn't seem to let me add more than one point on my route. In the console I see `Error fetching route from Graphhopper Error: Network response was not ok` I tried a couple times and got this in the U.S. In Europe I picked a couple random points and it worked fine.

I'm getting the same, it's a 400 response.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#93
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What I really want form a bike route planner is a map style that shows smaller roads as you zoom out. When planning a cycling I'm interested in tiny back back roads but they are hidden as soon as I zoom out on any map enough to be useful for route planning.

cycle.travel (my site) aims to do that - the advantage of developing your own cartography! Minor roads in rural areas are shown earlier than in most other styles, but in urban areas they kick in later to avoid cluttering the map too much.

Just wanted to pop in and let you know I use your site all the time and it's still the best (and I've tried everything) at creating routes to avoid dangerous roads. Thank you for the awesome app.

One little feature that's great is the quick link to view Google Streetview images, and the only thing I'd change is to have it let me do that anywhere on the map (not just on the route) so that I can look at alternatives without dragging the route there first.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#94

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A subscription? $10 a month?? That's the cost of a music streaming service!! I'd spend up to a $100 once on a killer tool that meets all my needs in this space. This subscription first crap is way out of hand.

Except that if you're a serious cyclist, spending $10/month on a really good road mapping service is worth more to you than spending $10/month on a music streaming service (or 2 coffees at Starbucks).

Don't compare RWGPS to Starbucks please... The coffee isn't really worth that kind of money. But $10 is a lot in different parts of the world. For me that is more than what I pay for my mobile internet connection that works out in the nowhere.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#95

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Since this is getting downvoted, I'd sure like to hear why you think an app like this justifies a $10/mo sub.

$10 per month is the minimum price that you should use for any software or digital product. People who are unwilling to pay $10 per month are also unwilling to pay $5 per month or $1 per month – regardless of how much value they get from the product. Ten dollars is the bottom. Why should it be a subscription instead of a pay-once app? Maps have to update as the real world updates, and probably they have other feature…

$10 per month might be the minimum price that is acceptable in US. This looks very different depending on your salary and if you can choose not to pay tax for health care and such. Have seen cases where different prices for different areas in the world when I was younger, not sure how that looks now.

I'm paying for $1 and $5 subscriptions (ko-fi) for things I like and use. But $10 is getting too high for a thing even though I use it every day. Within five months I'm already past the value of my bike. I need that money to change parts to be able to continue biking.

What I ususally do is a one-month subscription to support. Then I turn it off for the rest of the year.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#96

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Since this is getting downvoted, I'd sure like to hear why you think an app like this justifies a $10/mo sub.

I didn't downvote you FYI, but to answer your question, I run ridewithgps and as a result have a pretty in depth understanding of all the costs involved. We have 14 machines in a rack at a datacenter in PDX, and have focused on low hosting costs since we have historically been bootstrapped and margin sensitive. Redundant switches, 2 firewall/load balancers, 4 compute machines, 3 database machines, 5 storage servers.…

You forget one thing. RWGPS is (I think) one of the few training apps that can record and display all the data on the free tier. And it doesn't nag you every 5 minutes to upgrade to Pro or whatever. I really appreciate that and try to buy a one-month subscription once per year when I can afford it.

I have also worked with gps data and run my own map server (for a small country) so I know it costs money, time and effort. And thanks for the breakdown!

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#97
post #9

What I really want form a bike route planner is a map style that shows smaller roads as you zoom out. When planning a cycling I'm interested in tiny back back roads but they are hidden as soon as I zoom out on any map enough to be useful for route planning.

cycle.travel (my site) aims to do that - the advantage of developing your own cartography! Minor roads in rural areas are shown earlier than in most other styles, but in urban areas they kick in later to avoid cluttering the map too much.

Wow, first bike router that chooses the same route I would to and from work. The others all take the steepest hill in the area instead of the slightly longer around the hill.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#98
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I frequently use RWGPS for planning my bike rides but don't pay for it (yet!). Curious - is all routing done by graphhopper or do you have some secret sauce on your end? Also graphhopper web has regular bike mode and "racing bike", they tend to come up with different routes, wondering if it's incorporated on your side somehow or if there is a way to influence RWGPS algorithm to be more "road cycling" vs casual cyclin…

We have an update to our web and mobile route planners coming out in the next month that adds more specific bike profiles, including paved/unpaved preferences and cycling infrastructure preferences. Maybe an MTB profile as well. We use graphhopper for everything, with customized profiles. We add data to the weekly planet PBF files from the OSM project for additional routing data not present in OSM.

Thanks, looking forward! I don't know where most of your users are, but coming up with a safe road bike route in US suburbia is not a trivial problem. Current RWGPS planner routinely wants to take me to very dangerous roads (for a road cyclist). I hope your update will make it better.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#99
post #14

Sorry, forgot to mention. The planner is a mess on mobile I totally forgot to make it mobile friendly as I didn't think anyone would want to plan their trip on a phone.

I'm so desktop first, it's not even funny. But this is one of the few things I do on mobile. When I have the chance to go for a long ride I do the routing every few hours or so. This because I'm using something called Turfgame.com to explore new areas and take zones for a competition. I need to plan the route between the zones and maybe change route in case someone blocks my path. This will be done on the phone while having a break somewhere. I'm using Ride With GPS for the recording of the path and Naviki for the routing because that has all the turf zones as POI's so very easy to reroute.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since this is getting downvoted, I'd sure like to hear why you think an app like this justifies a $10/mo sub.

$10 per month is the minimum price that you should use for any software or digital product. People who are unwilling to pay $10 per month are also unwilling to pay $5 per month or $1 per month – regardless of how much value they get from the product. Ten dollars is the bottom. Why should it be a subscription instead of a pay-once app? Maps have to update as the real world updates, and probably they have other feature…

I think your price analysis is predicated on the amount of friction.

For me to sign up with a 3rd party service to pay a subscription: yes, $10/month is probably the smallest fee I'd bother with.

To add a subscription through my Apple devices, where I can manage my apps in a single pane of glass and start/stop subscriptions at will, I'm fine with paying $10/year, $2/month, whatever.

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