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Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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This is amazing. Is there a way to attach files/photos as well?

Thank you! Yes, if you share a file or picture with the bot it will be uploaded on a Google drive folder (in your account) and linked into the spreadsheet.

This is really useful! Makes it easy to feed unstructured (thoughts) into a spreadsheet for processing later on. Thanks for doing this. Are you planning on making this open-source?

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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I use Google photos on my phone so everything I send is not directly stored locally. Whatsapp wasn’t like this before, it was when they introduced E2E that old media started to get lost. If you want a groupchat with accessible history, whatsapp is not the place sadly.

WhatsApp never had persistent server-side storage. I believe they keep media binary blobs only for a few days after each recipient has downloaded them. If you delete your local copy, that's arguably on you – there was never any promise that WhatsApp would be holding your media for re-downloads forever.

> If you delete your local copy, that's arguably on you

I don’t know if you’ve participated in a large group chat, but on those occasions, lots of media is being sent to each other.

I am not that eager to have every media sent in the group chat stored on my Photos library. I don’t think anyone wants that.

So I guess everyone, including me turns off that feature (automatically storing images received), meaning no one will eventually have that image stored on the device which causes the data loss after a while.

Now, there is a backup feature in iOS, but it can only backup to iCloud drive, which I don’t pay for so the limit will be exceeded pretty quickly.

I wouldn’t put the blame on anyone for this, except Whatsapp.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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WhatsApp never had persistent server-side storage. I believe they keep media binary blobs only for a few days after each recipient has downloaded them. If you delete your local copy, that's arguably on you – there was never any promise that WhatsApp would be holding your media for re-downloads forever.

> If you delete your local copy, that's arguably on you I don’t know if you’ve participated in a large group chat, but on those occasions, lots of media is being sent to each other. I am not that eager to have every media sent in the group chat stored on my Photos library. I don’t think anyone wants that. So I guess everyone, including me turns off that feature (automatically storing images received), meaning no one…

Why should WhatsApp pay for the indefinite storage of your media any more than iCloud?

Of course WhatsApp could start charging for storage in the same way that Apple does, but given that WhatsApp is pretty focused on local-only message storage at the moment (similar to Signal, and unlike e.g. Telegram or Facebook Messenger), I don't think that would be a very popular feature.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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This has been out for a while now. But before this, what people used to do is create a group with just yourself as a member, and send messages there. You had to create a group with 2 people (yourself and someone else), and just remove them because it could not be done directly. And this could be used as notes or whatever. Right now I message myself but let's say if one wanted to maintain a separate chat for notes or…

You have more WhatsApp-savvy (or considerate) friends than me – I’ve had people text me notes before (because I’m pinned or otherwise on top of their chat list). “Just ignore please, but I’ll need this in a bit” :)

Haha, my wife does this to me when she needs to save a link or some text.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Telegram would be a better choice as you can use multiple devices. You can retrieve old images/docs And it has an API for your bot that you can use to post content from anywhere.

WhatsApp lets you link multiple devices now - I have the same account on an android and spare iPhone. The main restrictions are that you have to use the main device every 14 days and can only have ~4 linked devices. https://faq.whatsapp.com/378279804439436/?helpref=faq_conten...

It's just not same. Telegram has different instances in different devices.

While WhatsApp simply uses instance on your phone via webapi on your desktop.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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> The main restrictions are that you have to use the main device every 14 days and can only have ~4 linked devices. I’m trying to think of a rationale and really can’t. Any ideas?

Due to the way WhatsApp does (person to person, not group) chat encryption, the number of messages scales linearly with the number of devices of either party to the conversation. They probably want to put a cap on how much data/CPU the sending device has to expend per message.

Hmmm. Couldn’t they just use their group protocol for private chats, too?

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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You're right. WhatsApp Business API has a cost (which varies depending on country and type of message the Business initiates). I'm hoping to recover the cost through monthly subscriptions.

And I think you can do more about E2E encrypting it. Or at least trying to. At some point, people don't want plaintext journals floating around stored permanently. Although I know it starts as cleartext on whatsapp's servers

> Although I know it starts as cleartext on whatsapp's servers

WhatsApp uses the Signal protocol[1], so the text is never plaintext on the wire (or servers).

1. https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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> If you delete your local copy, that's arguably on you I don’t know if you’ve participated in a large group chat, but on those occasions, lots of media is being sent to each other. I am not that eager to have every media sent in the group chat stored on my Photos library. I don’t think anyone wants that. So I guess everyone, including me turns off that feature (automatically storing images received), meaning no one…

Why should WhatsApp pay for the indefinite storage of your media any more than iCloud? Of course WhatsApp could start charging for storage in the same way that Apple does, but given that WhatsApp is pretty focused on local-only message storage at the moment (similar to Signal, and unlike e.g. Telegram or Facebook Messenger), I don't think that would be a very popular feature.

Maybe they could offer storage backup to other providers than iCloud, like on Android. But that’s just one idea.

Either way, I seriously think there is a flaw in the design, especially in the scenario I provided. Had I know that WhatsApp would behave this way beforehand, I wouldn’t have used it.

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