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Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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13 billion euros = 2 miles of subway in SF downtown [1] [1] https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites/fta.dot.gov/files/2024-05/...

What would the cost be for the same distance in other parts of the world? Even accounting for inefficiencies, do you have any data on that? A quick search seems to put SF at the top [1]. [1] https://pedestrianobservations.com/2020/09/13/the-costs-of-s...

A 3.23 miles long, central part of M2 metro line in Warsaw, going right under city centre, costed around $1b in 2012.

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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13bln$ gets you a 35 mile tunnel thru the swiss alps. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthard_Base_Tunnel

I’d assume that drilling a tunnel under a mountain would be significantly cheaper than digging one in a densely inhabited city (in a seismically active area).

3miles for $2bln under densely inhabitated city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weinberg_Tunnel

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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This shows values per person in Ireland, but AFAIK the tax is from all European income, Apple has just channelled that through Irish subsidiary. Isle of Man is probably even richer in per capita money they've never seen.

No, this is just about how much apple has been taxed under Irish law so all the back taxes would go to the Irish government The source of the money originally being taxed doesn't matter

Apple, like other european giants, sends all its European business through Ireland, which is a convenient tax haven. Now, Ireland seems no longer happy being the tax haven, and Apple is forced to pay somewhat normal taxes.

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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No, this is just about how much apple has been taxed under Irish law so all the back taxes would go to the Irish government The source of the money originally being taxed doesn't matter

Apple, like other european giants, sends all its European business through Ireland, which is a convenient tax haven. Now, Ireland seems no longer happy being the tax haven, and Apple is forced to pay somewhat normal taxes.

I'm not sure what the connection to my statement above is, wrong comment your replied to?

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Thanks for checking it out and for the comment! This surprised me, but you are right. The only thing I can point to referring to this example only is that there is a lot of Javascript in the page, but the calculations are (effectively Javascript also but:) described separately, and this is still useful I'll argue - Separation of concerns means we can easily first of all point to calculation logic, connect it to numbe…

With all due respect, if you are making calculang with the goal of creating a tool for others to use, you need to work on a concise and clear description of what calculang is and why it exists. I'm sorry but I still have no idea what it even fits into in the broadest categories of language, library, or conceptual framework. No disrespect intended, just sharing feedback if you're hoping to grow this product.

I do need to work on this - thanks for the feedback.

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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Why are all the variables functions? They're just numbers. There's no need at all for them to be functions that just return numbers.

In this example it might not be so practical, but in calculang everything is a function including constants.

This is because of an emphasis on flexibility. They're a constant here but in another calculang model I can call calculations from this same code while asking for specific pieces of the calculation to be different.

e.g. if I have a population growth assumption then in an exercise I can get all these numbers allowing for population growth - without myself touching these formulas. Population then depends on time and must be a function.

On calculang.dev I say that formulas (functions) are the building blocks of calculations, and they're the mechanism for flexibility (also transparency).

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I use reactive Javascript which shows errors until a few pieces click together (best that I can understand it atm). So it's normal to have a string of errors and then everything works, but it should work in much less than 2s. I guess that can depend on a few things! Please let me know if waiting a bit still fails!

Not a JS dev, but I think proper reactive JS shouldn't do that.

To get my editor component and compiler interacting with that reactive system it got a little messy, and I'll review and hopefully fix it before I push this to a wider calculang playground. Hopefully it's my own bugs that I can fix anyways.

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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13 billion euros = 2 miles of subway in SF downtown [1] [1] https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites/fta.dot.gov/files/2024-05/...

In my city 21 KM / 13 Miles cost about 2 billion euro. So SF pays about 40 times of what is probably already a jacked up price. Even with rampant corruption (lets say 50% of the 13 Billion go towards corruption) I have no idea how that is possible
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