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Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by drivingmenuts »

cma wrote: post #37
drivingmenuts wrote: post #36

Weren't we able to do this before AI? I'm not sure I get what AI is bringing to the table/value-adding for this particular technology, except marketing hype.

Wasn't that very basic pitch shifting only?

It was a bit more complex than that, but that's more or less what this software, which claims the benefits of AI, is doing. It's not, near as I can tell, changing inflection or tone or doing anything other than changing the pitch and maybe adding some frequencies.

It's not even producing natural tones. None of the voices they're demoing sound real in any way. It's a toy, no more, no less.

Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by npteljes »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #55
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but we can't stop it.

We've become slaves to the technology and are doomed to watch helplessly at it destroys us?

Not quite. We've become slaves to the technology, and we can opt to have some fun as the inevitable is happening.

On a personal level, I don't think one can do much against the zeitgeist. But they can decide what part they play in it.

Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by j45 »

Gormo wrote: post #86
j45 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stating you own it, and then licensing it away in the sentence after to give yourself irrevocable rights seems duplicitous. Neat looking service though.

No, it's definitely not duplicitous, and is standard practice across the industry. It boils down to "we're not claiming to own the rights to your content -- you still retain those -- but we need a grant of permission from you to ensure that we can publish it on our own site without facing possible liability".

Or.. it's industry standard duplicity.

This isn't specifically an issue with this service alone (I like it), but the approach to UGC (user generated content) in general.

What's unclear is what rights or license remain if someone deletes their account and content. It's trivial to clarify, making omission is a decision.

Use of the word "improving" is pretty general and broad, and can be about the priorities of the vendor over the customer.

What's missing is the clause that closes the loop and doesn't give them a lifetime license.

"you grant Supertone a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to use, reproduce, adapt, and display content solely for the purpose of operating and improving Supertone Shift."

Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by squigz »

mintplant wrote: post #48
themoonisachees wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the wording is awkward, but as a trans person, I still resonate with it. I'm acutely aware it's not going to be "my voice", but neither is the one I have right now.

It's funny to me that we just had a big front-page thread full of HN users questioning the value of diversity, and then this thread where people struggle to figure out the obvious trans market for voice-changing software.

Non-verbal people might also be interested in such things

Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

npteljes wrote: post #90
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are gamers really more toxic towards women than men? I feel like switching gender will just switch one kind of toxicity to another.

It's not a perfect shield against online toxicity that's for sure, but the online voice-enabled gaming world is not kind to women: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/online-gaming-in-20...

It's certainly not kind to men either, and your source does not make any comparisons between men and women in this regard.

Sibling comment source makes a more compelling case for why women receive more abuse than me.

Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by HanayamaTriplet »

hiatus wrote: post #79
andoando wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ive tried making this exact product using all of these services, including using github repo koi is based on. They all use like 50% of my cpu to get real time. I was able to get actual low latency with koi, but still massive cpu usage. And theres no community of models for it either. Perhaps someone who really knows what theyre doing could optimize these open source models but its not me

> Ive tried making this exact product using all of these services, including using github repo koi is based on. Could you share the repo?

I'm assuming it's this one which was posted from their Twitter: https://github.com/KoeAI/llvc

Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by desro »

fzaninotto wrote: post #73

Why does the Mac installer require admin right and a restart? Giving admin rights to an installer requires trust in the vendor. Supertone Shift is just a newborn. I cancelled the installation because of that. I would love to test the technology without the risk of damaging my computer!

I use the great, free, "Suspicious Package" app [0] to inspect installers like these.

In fact, it was Supertone Shift's installer that prodded me to seek it out (I happened to find and install Shift a couple of weeks ago).

In this case, it needs admin permissions to install to `/Library/Application Support` as well as `/Library/Audio`.

It needs to restart in order for the HAL driver to be loaded (this provides the virtual audio interface for using the app with Teams, Zoom, etc.)

The preinstall/postinstall scripts simply handle the app's directory in Application Support.

I decided it was safe enough, and had some fun playing with it. It contacts what it claims are licensing servers (when it starts), and won't start without it. It wanted to keep contacting those servers constantly, but blocking its network access via Little Snitch didn't prevent it from functioning. The network traffic was in the single-digit kilobyte range, so I felt reasonably confident no audio data was being looted.

[0] https://mothersruin.com/software/SuspiciousPackage/

Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by desro »

hollowayaegis wrote: post #83
trashcluster wrote: post #43

If it was compatible as a VST plugin for DAWs it would be even more useful than a standalone software. From skimming through the website it seems that Supertone already make a VST plugin so it may be a matter of time before Shift becomes a VST too.

Self plug, but I've been developing a local AI voice changing VST [1] (bring your own RVC models, or use builtins). It works in DAWs in realtime on modern macs. [1] https://audio.sunflower.industries

This looks cool and I've downloaded it. Clicking on the "free" tier on the subscription page brings you into Stripe checkout for the $6 tier, FYI.

Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by andoando »

hiatus wrote: post #79
andoando wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ive tried making this exact product using all of these services, including using github repo koi is based on. They all use like 50% of my cpu to get real time. I was able to get actual low latency with koi, but still massive cpu usage. And theres no community of models for it either. Perhaps someone who really knows what theyre doing could optimize these open source models but its not me

> Ive tried making this exact product using all of these services, including using github repo koi is based on. Could you share the repo?

You can find kois model if you search koi llvc.

I just made some modifications to run it as a stream from a microphone. I am trying to develop my own voice changer (https://voicechange.io) so I dont want to share the source code for that.

Re: Show HN: Supertone Shift – AI powered Real-time voice changer

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Post by IndySun »

watersb wrote: post #16

Very interesting! I would like some clarity on the Terms of Service clause 4: > The content created using Supertone Shift remains your property. However, by using our Services, you grant Supertone a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to use, reproduce, adapt, and display content solely for the purpose of operating and improving Supertone Shift. This license does not grant Supertone any rights to sell or d…

You don't need to look far to understand those terms are standard, and by 'standard' see non-binding, or broad, it doesnt matter what they 'say' here because you will only find supertone abusing these 'terms' if someone at supertone lets you know - meanwhile your voice is syphoned off and used in anyway their friends see fit, and no terms laid out here will be broken. As per other replies for standard software terms, see duplicitous.
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