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Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by skrtskrt »

kedean wrote: post #60
TylerE wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SMS is dead. The US is basically an abberation in still using it. Rest of the world has moved on to whatsapp/imessage/whatever.

Those are all closed-loop messaging systems. If anything whatsapp/imessage/whatever are more vulnerable to what was suggested because they aren't open/standardized protocols.

SMS is an insecure protocol from the ground up it was never designed for the mass communications it is now used for. It is open, sure but it needs a new open standard to completely replace it, which will take decades because its used for machine-to-machine communication in US telecom infrastructure and the sheer amount of physical equipment that would need upgraded is insane.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by helpmefindpurp »

bcye wrote: post #29
helpmefindpurp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do not like the ads, just stop visiting sites that show ads...

If there is competition offering ad-free services, this would be an option. But for large parts, there isn't.

> The internet was just fine before it was turned into an ad delivery platform.

this is the comment I replied to. Apparently the old internet was fine, so what kind of "competition" are you looking for? Youtube gives you easy access to content you would have to spend hours trying to locate on "old" internet.

If you do not like their content, simply stop using their site. But it is immoral to pretend like it is OK to abuse their site, and deliberately hide their adviertisments that keep their site alive

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by esbranson »

> Chrome does not allow adblockers to interact with resources loaded using early hints, nor does it display resources loaded using early hints in the developer console.

I wonder if Brave has these same limitations? Not sure where its Shields JS fits into the architecture.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by helpmefindpurp »

imglorp wrote: post #43
helpmefindpurp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do not like the ads, just stop visiting sites that show ads...

But it's not just ads: that's disingenuous by understating the impact. It's the entire tracking, data broker, ad marketplace, surveillance capitalism ecosystem. This ecosystem causes immense harm in global climate, ruins lives, delivers malware, violates privacy, and supports authoritarian overreach. Ads might be fine, a pinch of annoyance. And yes I pay for my content thank you.

This is why EU legislators have made the "cookie law". The site will tell you that they are using ads, and you are free to just leave. the. site. Stop mooching off people's hard work by killing their only source of revenue, ad blockers are immoral

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by xg15 »

xyst wrote: post #14
guitarlimeo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know, current ad blockers can't block ads from Widevine (DRM protected) streams, so I guess it's only a matter of time until Chromium team comes up with Widevine for webpages and then it's game over for normal consumers.

Until quantum computing becomes mainstream and then consumers can break drm on the fly!

"Post-Quantum" crypto is already being rolled out in expectation of that though.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by crtasm »

ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88

I really wish the pay-with-compute model stuck. Lending webpages some CPU-cycles (probably to mine crypto) in a controlled and safe way would be a win-win(-win) situation. Websites won't have to submit to their advertising overlords and still be able to incrementally monetize their content. Users won't have to deal with the downgraded experience — while sacrificing compute cycles anyway to download and display the aw…

Doesn't really work out for anyone running on battery.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by a_vanderbilt »

wrigglingworm wrote: post #87

I wouldn't even mind ads if most sites weren't malicious with how they serve them. Do not make a new window pop up, do not try to download anything to my computer without my explicit instruction, do not make me click an x to view the content, do not interrupt the content to serve an ad. Why can't they just have a nice little ad on the left and/or right side of the page that doesn't interrupt my intake of their conten…

Greed. Those kinds of ads pay more. Interrupting the content means they can sell the spot as something people will actually see because they are forced to.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by nottorp »

MattGaiser wrote: post #37
bcye wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is competition offering ad-free services, this would be an option. But for large parts, there isn't.

You can buy ad free services for a lot of them. Few pay.

Price thing: no one can afford to pay "a latte per month" for every site they visit.

Trust thing: the site is likely to still spy on you even if you're a paid subscriber. Even if they drop ads they'll send your data to google or some other analytics provider, at the least. They'll "accidentaly reset" your email preferences. Plus other shenanigans *.

Infrequency thing: I won't subscribe to $SOME_SITE just because it's linked on HN a couple times per year.

* friend of mine said he's tempted to subscribe to the economist online. I pointed out that they need to call or talk to a rep over live chat to cancel. Friend stopped mentioning subscribing to the economist.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by nottorp »

flohofwoe wrote: post #79
helpmefindpurp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do not like the ads, just stop visiting sites that show ads...

If the ads would be self-hosted and properly curated by the hosting site I wouldn't have a problem with them (just as I don't have much of a problem with print or tv ads). The specific problem with web ads is that most of the web made a deal with the devil: 3rd-party ad-networks which are directly injecting who-knows-what into webpages. Those ads are not just cheap click-bait-trash, but also potential malware vectors…

Don't forget sites load 3x faster with an ad blocker on...

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by ahmedfromtunis »

crtasm wrote: post #96
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88

I really wish the pay-with-compute model stuck. Lending webpages some CPU-cycles (probably to mine crypto) in a controlled and safe way would be a win-win(-win) situation. Websites won't have to submit to their advertising overlords and still be able to incrementally monetize their content. Users won't have to deal with the downgraded experience — while sacrificing compute cycles anyway to download and display the aw…

Doesn't really work out for anyone running on battery.

If done right, this might actually be more energy efficient than having to download and render all those unoptimized ads.
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