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Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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> Nekoweb is a free static website hosting service, created in 2024 by a group of coders, programmers and artists, passionate for the old web and personal websites. > Join us on our discord to chat with the community and the developers! Gating discussion of the open web in a proprietary service is an interesting decision. Shows that we're still far too reliant on closed protocols for even smaller nontrivial tasks lik…

I really don't get the discord phenomena, it seems like more bloatware and demands on attention and notifications - I mean - IRC is right there and you can at least control your own attention span however you want.

discord suck so bad and I also have no idea why all the kids love it, i guess it's network effect.

I really spent time on it. It's terrible software. Pure bloat.

Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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> Nekoweb is a free static website hosting service, created in 2024 by a group of coders, programmers and artists, passionate for the old web and personal websites. > Join us on our discord to chat with the community and the developers! Gating discussion of the open web in a proprietary service is an interesting decision. Shows that we're still far too reliant on closed protocols for even smaller nontrivial tasks lik…

Does Nekoweb declare to be part of the open web? Seems more like the artistic feel for websites as they used to be. Not a very valid argument in that context.

Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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> Nekoweb is a free static website hosting service, created in 2024 by a group of coders, programmers and artists, passionate for the old web and personal websites. > Join us on our discord to chat with the community and the developers! Gating discussion of the open web in a proprietary service is an interesting decision. Shows that we're still far too reliant on closed protocols for even smaller nontrivial tasks lik…

Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the irony. It really devalues the whole thing. The next phase in online consumer culture will certainly be the commodification of the old web: reduced to a performative aesthetic, divorced from its original substance.

What irony? It is made for the artistic look and feel of websites as they once were. Seems to have nothing to do with the "open web" as you might like to put it.

Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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I really don't get the discord phenomena, it seems like more bloatware and demands on attention and notifications - I mean - IRC is right there and you can at least control your own attention span however you want.

Side note; you can disable all notifications or be selective about the ones you receive, like most apps. The idea of being bombarded with pings is not really a thing that happens unless you are a dev and forgot to disable that on your server.

We have conventions and protocols for dealing with text before - discord is some platform it will bring a whole bunch of new conventions and protocols - needlessly complicated and just a waste of human energy and time - but you know - maximize "engagement" or what have you for your KPI metrics - it's like selling water in bottles to people with easy access to drinking water.

Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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> Nekoweb is a free static website hosting service, created in 2024 by a group of coders, programmers and artists, passionate for the old web and personal websites. > Join us on our discord to chat with the community and the developers! Gating discussion of the open web in a proprietary service is an interesting decision. Shows that we're still far too reliant on closed protocols for even smaller nontrivial tasks lik…

I really don't get the discord phenomena, it seems like more bloatware and demands on attention and notifications - I mean - IRC is right there and you can at least control your own attention span however you want.

My close friends and I have a Discord server that we interact on regularly and I've actually looked at switching us over to irc, since I like open, self-hostible standards with competing servers and clients better than proprietary software, but there were a couple reasons that the switch would be unsatisfying for us.

First, with Discord if you aren't online for awhile you don't have to miss the conversations that happened while you were offline — you can just read them later. Whereas with IRC, you will absolutely have to miss everything you are not online for, which creates a much larger fear of missing out, without any benefit in not being distracted or whatever since you can (and I do) just turn off all notifications that aren't direct pings in Discord so you can just check the app whenever you feel like it. So Discord has all the benefits of not getting notifications while you're offline, with none of the downsides of literally missing out on important discussions between your friends where they might have been pouring their heart out with no one currently on the server or whatever.

Second, Discord just has a lot more features that we actually really like using. Maybe that's "bloatware" to you, but the purpose of software is to have features users use. For instance, embedded images and gifs, custom emojis, the possibility of having voice channels and sharing your screen, and stuff like that. Having custom emojis is actually a pretty great way to expand your expressivity and have really fun in jokes and losing that is actually pretty sad.

Third, like the other commenters have said, the Discord servers for stuff I care about are actually active and friendly and interesting.

Finally, although you could make an IRC interface that works like the Discord app, which happens to be my favorite layout for a chat app that I've ever used, I don't think anyone has to my knowledge.

We ended up going with an open source clone of Discord called revolt, which I developed a custom Android application for.

Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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post #91
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't get the discord phenomena, it seems like more bloatware and demands on attention and notifications - I mean - IRC is right there and you can at least control your own attention span however you want.

discord suck so bad and I also have no idea why all the kids love it, i guess it's network effect. I really spent time on it. It's terrible software. Pure bloat.

Probably because Discord is not just chat; it's sharing and hosting images, video, audio, files... IRC can't do that.

Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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post #91

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discord suck so bad and I also have no idea why all the kids love it, i guess it's network effect. I really spent time on it. It's terrible software. Pure bloat.

Probably because Discord is not just chat; it's sharing and hosting images, video, audio, files... IRC can't do that.

What's the problem with forums (bulletin-board systems)?

Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't get the discord phenomena, it seems like more bloatware and demands on attention and notifications - I mean - IRC is right there and you can at least control your own attention span however you want.

I didn't get it either. At first. Then I had a reason to use it. I am a long time IRC user, and still use that to this day, but in a much less frequent capacity. IRC is a comparative ghost town when thrown up against Discord. Part of the reason for that is accessibility. Discord does everything IRC does in terms of channels, bots, etc, but packages it in a UI that the masses can easily consume. The addition of voice…

Had the same experience more or less. I was on IRC during 9/11, and many other major world events, and it's key to my online experiences back in the day, but these days I haven't used it in almost a year. I moved to Slack over a decade ago, for business, introducing it to where I was working at the time, and then five years ago or so, moved to Discord for the community aspect.

These days it's almost primarily all on Discord. There are a lot of features that I don't use, but it's what Slack should have been, back when Slack was meant to replace IRC. The interface works, it's available on my phone, it has call ability, multiple servers within my account and no need to keep a bouncer running.

Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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I think there is an important thing that many of us miss: while people who did their homepages in the 90s were truly web innovators connecting to communities of other like-minded individuals via websites, nowadays it's nothing but nostalgia or worse yet, teenagers in their romantic phase roleplaying as... IDK, someone who is saddened by the eternal September.

> people who did their homepages in the 90s were truly web innovators connecting to communities of other like-minded individuals > teenagers in their romantic phase roleplaying as... IDK, someone who is saddened by the eternal September. I mean, a lot of the people creating homepages in the 90s were teenagers. It ended up being pushed out by facebook who's UX was so polished that it trumped the desire for personalisa…

Facebook pushed us out because it had scrabble. It had little to do with UI polish.

Re: Show HN: Nekoweb – a retro static web hosting

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because Discord is not just chat; it's sharing and hosting images, video, audio, files... IRC can't do that.

What's the problem with forums (bulletin-board systems)?

They're not instant-messaging platforms. Though it's true that Discord often gets misused as a permanent knowledge-base (where a forum would be much better)
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