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Re: Show HN: Restaurants in Peace – leave a remembrance for a closed restaurant

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Post by habi »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #71
matkoniecz wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenStreetMap is for currently existing features (or currently existing remains, ruins can be mapped). So if for example sign remains, it can be mapped. But once fully gone: it is not mappable in OSM. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nonexistent_features In addition we cannot import data from Google Maps or use Street View due to licencing terms. https://www.openhistoricalmap.org/ collects also objects gone wi…

That’s really interesting to learn, thanks. If it were up to me, I’d recommend keeping it with a flag that notes it as closed, rather than deleting it. (Just as you can mark a row in a database as deleted and not physically delete it). I know it’s not that simple. :) I’ve seen cases on Google Maps where a previously bookmarked restaurant, after having closed, will completely disappear there. It used to be that bookma…

> If it were up to me, I’d recommend keeping it with a flag that notes it as closed, rather than deleting it.

OpenStreetMap has you covered with a so-called lifecycle prefix: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix

Re: Show HN: Restaurants in Peace – leave a remembrance for a closed restaurant

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Post by caddemon »

acyou wrote: post #16

The restaurant model has such incredibly high turnover and failure rate. We think we want things to go back to the way they were, but really we just want to be young again. To be more constructive, would be cool to tie in some connection to the present. For example, ad model for the new restaurant that is there now.

I've seen restaurants with great food close because of terrible business sense, and I've also seen a few closings recently of long-standing places where the owners wanted to retire and couldn't find anyone they'd trust that would take over. COVID amplified these effects for a time too.

I'm sure a higher fraction of closing restaurants are mid (or worse), but by raw numbers there are many places legitimately worth memorializing. Associated personal memories are a thing of course, but there are multiple closed spots that I feel were inherently very good and have not properly been replaced in my area.

Re: Show HN: Restaurants in Peace – leave a remembrance for a closed restaurant

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Post by augustocallejas »

whalesalad wrote: post #57

BC Burrito, Kaimuki HI deserves a section here. Their seasoned potato burrito (add carnitas) is still without a doubt the best burrito I have ever tasted. https://bcburrito.wordpress.com/about/ I am seeing a lot of "Burger King" and whatnot in LA - you might want to filter for corporate noise.

The most memorable thing about this location was their Ms Pac-man cocktail table game.

Re: Show HN: Restaurants in Peace – leave a remembrance for a closed restaurant

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Post by matkoniecz »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #71
matkoniecz wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenStreetMap is for currently existing features (or currently existing remains, ruins can be mapped). So if for example sign remains, it can be mapped. But once fully gone: it is not mappable in OSM. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nonexistent_features In addition we cannot import data from Google Maps or use Street View due to licencing terms. https://www.openhistoricalmap.org/ collects also objects gone wi…

That’s really interesting to learn, thanks. If it were up to me, I’d recommend keeping it with a flag that notes it as closed, rather than deleting it. (Just as you can mark a row in a database as deleted and not physically delete it). I know it’s not that simple. :) I’ve seen cases on Google Maps where a previously bookmarked restaurant, after having closed, will completely disappear there. It used to be that bookma…

As long as there are traces - it can be kept `disused:amenity=restaurant` rather than `amenity=restaurant` etc.

But once fully gone it should be removed - this way OSM data can be always verified/updated by visiting a given place, without being aware of now gone objects there. And keeps it objective - otherwise you would run into big discussion "where was this restaurant closed 20 years ago?"

Or "how this castle was structured in year 1450" where you often have multiple competing reconstructions.

Re: Show HN: Restaurants in Peace – leave a remembrance for a closed restaurant

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Post by anjel »

scrozier wrote: post #86
anjel wrote: post #80

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The much loved Shopsin's was one of a kind not just for the food but also its gruff but lovable chef Kenny Shopsin. Documentary: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0390109/ Profiled by Calvin Trillin in the New Yorker: https://web.archive.org/web/20230313065345/https://www.newyo... Unique Menu rules: https://www.kottke.org/04/08/shopsins-menu

Shopsin's is not closed! They are now at Essex Market (Essex and Delancey, in the Lower East Side). Next building over from me. I think some of Kenny's offspring took it over (but not sure of that). Not quite as fun as the old place, but still a pretty quirky menu.

Not closed but not nearly like the Shopsin's of old :( Kenny & Eve were the key ingredient.

Re: Show HN: Restaurants in Peace – leave a remembrance for a closed restaurant

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Post by scrozier »

anjel wrote: post #95
scrozier wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shopsin's is not closed! They are now at Essex Market (Essex and Delancey, in the Lower East Side). Next building over from me. I think some of Kenny's offspring took it over (but not sure of that). Not quite as fun as the old place, but still a pretty quirky menu.

Not closed but not nearly like the Shopsin's of old :( Kenny & Eve were the key ingredient.

Fair enough.
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