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Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by neurobama »

klabb3 wrote: post #56

I think the cards should just be what the post is, not a description of it. The descriptions (a) are hard to pattern match quickly and (b) the creators value judgments are inserted (for instance “ethnic slur” is ambiguous in many real cases, eg negro could be legit in a spanish-speaking or referencing context, or “white trash” which could both be a slur and the title of an edgy Vice documentary). In my experience the…

>or “white trash” which could both be a slur and the title of an edgy Vice documentary

It's only not considered a slur in the second case because Vice has money, you and your friends and powerful people like Vice, and the "white trash" don't reflexively assault you like beasts when they hear the words uttered. The meaning is understood and remembered regardless.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by pavel_lishin »

ftxbro wrote: post #64
pavel_lishin wrote: post #9

A neat game, but my enjoyment of it is somewhat dulled since I watch my mom play this in real life on a daily basis - her job is moderating product reviews.

i wonder does she know about gpt

If she did, how do you suppose it would help?

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by not2b »

You might find this article from Mike Masnick of TechDirt, one of the contributors to the game, interesting:

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/05/11/moderator-mayhem-a-mobil...

He's been writing about the difficulties of site moderation for a long time.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by ftxbro »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #92
ftxbro wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i wonder does she know about gpt

If she did, how do you suppose it would help?

The gpt could moderate the product reviews for her. It doesn't have to be completely automatic. It could automatically do the easy ones, and for the medium ones tell a strong guess but needs confirmation, and for the hard ones it tells a more complete context to consider and the user has to decide.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by [deleted] »

schoen wrote: post #90

Elsewhere in this thread I and other people talked about how Engine probably made this with the goal of making people more sympathetic to tech companies' challenges with content moderation, by giving people some form of first-hand experience. It turns out that we don't have to speculate about this motivation, because they spelled it out quite explicitly in a blog post: https://www.engine.is/news/category/moderator-ma…

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Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by [deleted] »

swyx wrote: post #87
preseinger wrote: post #83

this is a bad game, because it doesn't reflect reality reality dictates that what is or isn't acceptable content is not a function of platform policy, it's a function of the legal jurisdiction in which the content is produced and/or consumed this isn't really complicated

all games distort reality in some form in order to be playable

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Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by aprilnya »

klabb3 wrote: post #56

I think the cards should just be what the post is, not a description of it. The descriptions (a) are hard to pattern match quickly and (b) the creators value judgments are inserted (for instance “ethnic slur” is ambiguous in many real cases, eg negro could be legit in a spanish-speaking or referencing context, or “white trash” which could both be a slur and the title of an edgy Vice documentary). In my experience the…

> I think the cards should just be what the post is, not a description of it.

This would make the blue look-into-it-more button useless

> the creators value judgments are inserted (for instance “ethnic slur” is ambiguous in many real cases, eg negro could be legit in a spanish-speaking or referencing context, or “white trash” which could both be a slur and the title of an edgy Vice documentary).

You’re supposed to use the blue look-into-it-more button to figure this kind of stuff out

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

#100

Post by mike741 »

wmf wrote: post #46
ianferrel wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, when I approved leaving up the cocaine post, the game that they authored gave me a big red X and said I did it wrong that it clearly was illegal and should have been taken down. Where were they clear that there are no right or wrong answers?

The users who submit reports are fallible, the moderators are fallible, and the bosses who rate the moderators are also fallible. Sometimes you'll be right and the system will still say you're wrong.

> the bosses who rate the moderators are also fallible. Sometimes you'll be right and the system will still say you're wrong.

those are not the difficulties of moderating though, those are the difficulties of general employment.

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