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Re: Show HN: Cascadia Code, a Font for Windows Terminal and VSCode

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Post by m0zg »

WorldMaker wrote: post #89
m0zg wrote: post #3

MS can't really win against its own Consolas. If you haven't tried Consolas, you owe it to yourself to give it a try. Would be cool if MS opensourced that, if they can.

Unfortunately, it's unlikely that Microsoft has the means to open source Consolas as it (along with most of the rest of the Office C-Family fonts) was a commission from / commercial partnership with Monotype (company/foundry; albeit I think it was Ascender at the time but M&A since then it's definitely Monotype that owns the commercial rights today). Commercial licensing info: http://catalog.monotype.com/family/micro…

MS is a trillion dollar company. It has the means to do whatever it wants to do.

Re: Show HN: Cascadia Code, a Font for Windows Terminal and VSCode

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Post by aendruk »

teilo wrote: post #77

I wish some thought would be given to alternate widths for monospaced fonts. Once I got used to the narrow width of Iosevka[†], all these other admittedly wonderful terminal/code fonts lost their appeal to me. Everything else just looks fat now. [†] https://typeof.net/Iosevka

Even better, Iosevka just gained an experimental proportional-width variant that still has all the programming ligatures. I've been opting into that on a per–language or project basis.

Re: Show HN: Cascadia Code, a Font for Windows Terminal and VSCode

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Post by WorldMaker »

m0zg wrote: post #91
WorldMaker wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, it's unlikely that Microsoft has the means to open source Consolas as it (along with most of the rest of the Office C-Family fonts) was a commission from / commercial partnership with Monotype (company/foundry; albeit I think it was Ascender at the time but M&A since then it's definitely Monotype that owns the commercial rights today). Commercial licensing info: http://catalog.monotype.com/family/micro…

MS is a trillion dollar company. It has the means to do whatever it wants to do.

The keyword I used was "unlikely". The point being that it would be a coordinated effort between Microsoft and some other company (Monotype), increasing the unlikelihood, because it would require joint effort. Regardless of Microsoft's market cap, it would still have to deal with the lawyers and royalty concerns of its partner, it couldn't just unilaterally decide to open source it without negotiations. Given the nature of font design, Microsoft may not even have access the "source" for Consolas today, and maybe/probably only licenses the final TTFs from Monotype. (Plus, it's an old enough font that whatever "source" there may exist would only be glyphs in various proprietary formats and build tools/chains that would require conversion to tools more appropriate to open source.)

Yes, Microsoft has the resources to do all of that, given enough time and it becoming enough of a priority, but the likelihood of that becoming a priority one would directly assume is related to how much effort that would take. It would likely take a lot of effort.

Re: Show HN: Cascadia Code, a Font for Windows Terminal and VSCode

#94

Post by sakesun »

GordonS wrote: post #54
sakesun wrote: post #47

Just tried Cascadia Code with Emacs. I think Monofur is still better for me. Larger, easier to read, and even more number of text lines shown on screen.

> Larger...more number of text lines shown on screen Surely that's down to the font size, which you can change?

In general, you cannot have Larger text with more number of text lines at the same time.

With Monofur the text are wider and more clear, and, for the same vertical space, more number of lines than Cascadia.

Re: Show HN: Cascadia Code, a Font for Windows Terminal and VSCode

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Post by fortran77 »

nickcox wrote: post #81
throwaway8941 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't like PowerShell, it is too verbose. alias >Intel Graphics drivers has a lot of bugs They suck everywhere. I've had nothing but problems with HD4600 on Linux. Frequent video player crashes, kernel lockups, glitches, the whole shebang. >- ClearType has been improved but Linux ... font aliasing is a lot better. I have the opposite experience. Depends on your display I guess. >I would like to remove the task bar…

> alias Right. And it ships with sensible aliases for pretty much everything right out of the box as well as excellent completion. Don't really get the 'too verbose' argument at all.

It's probably just too advanced for him. I love PowerShell and use it on Linux, too.

Re: Show HN: Cascadia Code, a Font for Windows Terminal and VSCode

#96

Post by m0zg »

WorldMaker wrote: post #93
m0zg wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS is a trillion dollar company. It has the means to do whatever it wants to do.

The keyword I used was "unlikely". The point being that it would be a coordinated effort between Microsoft and some other company (Monotype), increasing the unlikelihood , because it would require joint effort. Regardless of Microsoft's market cap, it would still have to deal with the lawyers and royalty concerns of its partner, it couldn't just unilaterally decide to open source it without negotiations. Given the na…

10M would make Monotype pee itself. MS does not require board approval for deals $100M or less.

Re: Show HN: Cascadia Code, a Font for Windows Terminal and VSCode

#97

Post by _thnt »

29athrowaway wrote: post #7
tony wrote: post #4

Microsoft is just on a roll when it comes to open source. - Windows Terminal is pretty solid, and fast. Dare I say, nearing rxvt-unicode/kitty speed. There are some remaining terminal corruption with tmux + vim sessions, but soon enough it'll be replacing hyper/conemu for me. - WSL 2 alleviates file system issues that plagued WSL. I recently wiped debian off my Thinkpad because there's no point, I get everything I ne…

Windows can be convenient, but what is the cost of your convenience? - Fewer hardware manufacturers will publish drivers for other OSes. - More computer manufacturers will sell computers with Windows preinstalled (and other preinstalled software that you will likely not want in your computer), making your computer more expensive and slower, and sometimes, less secure (search: eDellRoot). - Fewer game publishers will…

All good points, it's good to have alternatives and balance of power. I've been using macOS exclusively since Feb 2014, I like the OS, I like the convenience, but recently I bought a PC to go along with it.

Because the price of my convenience is:

- Want 16GB more of DDR3 2166 RAM in your laptop? $400 please. Paid $320 for 64GB of DDR4 3200 for my PC. Want an iMac with 64GB of DDR4 2666? Pay $1000 to upgrade from the standard 8GB.

- Can't have an NVIDIA GPU (at least not out of the box and even with an eGPU the support isn't first class)

- Can't have an AMD CPU

- Want 1TB SSD? Pay $300 more to upgrade from a hybrid HDD. Want a 2TB SSD? Get a volume discount and pay $700 more! Oh...

- No HDMI port

- honestly... hardly any ports and they "forgot" to include the dongles

- touchbar

- keyboard

- AppleCare - you better buy it because everything is soldered, your warranty is 1 year, and you really don't want to know the price of repair.

I'm reevaluating Linux as a viable choice every year or so too, it's getting better each time, but so do other platforms, so it's always playing catch-up. This year it was GPU drivers again (yes, NVIDIA). I problem solve for a living, but if I spend half my weekend and still can't figure out what's wrong, something is seriously wrong.

So, whatever you choose, you pay.

Re: Show HN: Cascadia Code, a Font for Windows Terminal and VSCode

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Post by crispinb »

samsaga2 wrote: post #36
tony wrote: post #4

Microsoft is just on a roll when it comes to open source. - Windows Terminal is pretty solid, and fast. Dare I say, nearing rxvt-unicode/kitty speed. There are some remaining terminal corruption with tmux + vim sessions, but soon enough it'll be replacing hyper/conemu for me. - WSL 2 alleviates file system issues that plagued WSL. I recently wiped debian off my Thinkpad because there's no point, I get everything I ne…

- Windows Terminal is nice but the windows command line is not. I don't like PowerShell, it is too verbose. - WSL 2 is not stable and it is only available for the Windows Insider program. And it does not have X. - Windows 10 drivers sucks. For example, Intel Graphics drivers has a lot of bugs. - ClearType has been improved but Linux and Mac font aliasing is a lot better. - I cannot upgrade my laptop to the last Windo…

Some of what you write is true. Some is false or absurd.

> WSL 2 is not stable and it is only available for the Windows Insider program

True but so what? It works perfectly well for many purposes right now (I know this from experience). Work on it is progressing apace, and it'll be in the mainstream builds before long.

> And it does not have X.

I don't even know what that means. You can install an X server (x410's the best in my experience), and run X11 apps in it. I worked f/t on the Linux build of IntelliJ running in WSL2 for a couple of projects, and it was fine.

> NTFS is getting old and it is very slow if you have a lot of small files.

Windows file handling is pretty slow, but not mainly because of NTFS. Working in WSL2 you have a linux kernel & ext4 for your source files, so it doesn't matter.

> Windows is nice to a light development. But if you really need a complete solution you have to search for alternatives.

That's just a silly ideological statement. And it is not a matter of opinion - great swathes of significant and sophisticated software are written by devs using Windows. To suggest something more is 'needed' flies in the face of objective reality. By all means express your taste (mine also runs to Linux right now, though it's a marginal decision), but you'd be better off being aware that taste is just that, and only that.

Re: Show HN: Cascadia Code, a Font for Windows Terminal and VSCode

#99

Post by crispinb »

throwaway8941 wrote: post #50
samsaga2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Windows Terminal is nice but the windows command line is not. I don't like PowerShell, it is too verbose. - WSL 2 is not stable and it is only available for the Windows Insider program. And it does not have X. - Windows 10 drivers sucks. For example, Intel Graphics drivers has a lot of bugs. - ClearType has been improved but Linux and Mac font aliasing is a lot better. - I cannot upgrade my laptop to the last Windo…

>I don't like PowerShell, it is too verbose. alias >Intel Graphics drivers has a lot of bugs They suck everywhere. I've had nothing but problems with HD4600 on Linux. Frequent video player crashes, kernel lockups, glitches, the whole shebang. >- ClearType has been improved but Linux ... font aliasing is a lot better. I have the opposite experience. Depends on your display I guess. >I would like to remove the task bar…

> You can remove it. I don't use and don't see it on Win10.

Not the parent - but a question on this. I was using Win10 as my main OS 'till quite recently. I always had the task bar on autohide, but was frequently annoyed by it popping up (when icons for running apps flash). I tried a few registry hacks but nothing ever worked. For unrelated reasons I'm back on Linux now, but am still curious to see if there's a solution to this.

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