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Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by EduardoBautista »

no_wizard wrote: post #90
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are so right! Thank you for your feedback. Changed it to "Your privacy is important. Darwin will never record, distribute or sell your personal data to any third parties."

Question I have: do you need to actually collect this information at all? I appreciate the no share, but if a service never collects it to begin with then it’s never an issue including if you get hacked for instance. I’m curious not a judgement.

The app does need to know what your email address at gmail is in order to work.

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by DarwinMailApp »

no_wizard wrote: post #90
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are so right! Thank you for your feedback. Changed it to "Your privacy is important. Darwin will never record, distribute or sell your personal data to any third parties."

Question I have: do you need to actually collect this information at all? I appreciate the no share, but if a service never collects it to begin with then it’s never an issue including if you get hacked for instance. I’m curious not a judgement.

Thank you for your questions :)

What information are you referring to?

I would prefer to understand your question better so I can give you honest and hopefully succinct feedback :)

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by 1123581321 »

teleclimber wrote: post #73
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #58

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It's not open source at the moment no. You make a very good point, and I see where you are coming from. I personally have a hard time trusting other products with my data too. That's why I'm trying to be as transparent as possible with DarwinMail. If I were to make the product open source, would you consider using it then?

Yes, if you make it Open Source and possible to self-host it goes from DOA to definitely possible. Would have to explore more, like how it's written, the community around it, etc... before I really commit. Hopefully you can still make a living. I suspect "open source + commercially hosted" is a good model for something like this?

You are asking him to do a ton of work and commit to never charging you for anything on the off chance that you might condescend to use his software. It seems like it would be easier for you to just not evaluate new mail clients.

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by DarwinMailApp »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #91
no_wizard wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question I have: do you need to actually collect this information at all? I appreciate the no share, but if a service never collects it to begin with then it’s never an issue including if you get hacked for instance. I’m curious not a judgement.

The app does need to know what your email address at gmail is in order to work.

Correct!

Other than that there is no need to collect much other information at all.

Google Analytics is currently how I see how users found DarwinMail & where they came from.

Google Analytics also provides info such as users device and browser type.

A list of the data Google Analytics collects can be found here:

https://www.shivarweb.com/2977/what-does-google-analytics-do

Google Analytics is the defacto standard for millions of websites across the web.

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by DarwinMailApp »

teleclimber wrote: post #73
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not open source at the moment no. You make a very good point, and I see where you are coming from. I personally have a hard time trusting other products with my data too. That's why I'm trying to be as transparent as possible with DarwinMail. If I were to make the product open source, would you consider using it then?

Yes, if you make it Open Source and possible to self-host it goes from DOA to definitely possible. Would have to explore more, like how it's written, the community around it, etc... before I really commit. Hopefully you can still make a living. I suspect "open source + commercially hosted" is a good model for something like this?

I see the merits of open sourcing DarwinMail. It would open up the platform to develop on it from people all over the world. They would fix bugs for themselves and others and perhaps write mini-features. However, if I open source this code, I may never be able to make any profit on this tool I have spent so much time building :( How will I be able to pay my bills?

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by DarwinMailApp »

uniformlyrandom wrote: post #77
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not open source at the moment no. You make a very good point, and I see where you are coming from. I personally have a hard time trusting other products with my data too. That's why I'm trying to be as transparent as possible with DarwinMail. If I were to make the product open source, would you consider using it then?

That was my biggest concern as well. I am sure you do not do that, it it would have been so easy to funnel my data (or metadata) to your servers. Open-sourcing and authenticating the client code would resolve this issue for me.

That is an interesting point and I very much appreciate your opinion.

I will think about it :)

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by dmix »

Feedback: your pricing section was a bit confusing. It says "Pro Lite" and "Pro Plus", and both list the same long list of features.

In reality it's just "Pro Monthly" and "Pro Yearly" where the only difference is you save 30%.

The "Lite" and "Plus" part makes it seem like there are three plans and the Plus one has the most features/benefits...

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by bayindirh »

DarwinMailApp wrote: post #2

Hello HN I’m Joey, the maker of Darwin Mail. — Darwin Mail aims to help you be your most productive when dealing with emails & todos. Problem Inbox by Google was one of the best products they ever made. And then they shut it down. Solution Introducing Darwin Mail, which aims to replace and become better than Google Inbox ever was. Features - Snoozing, Reminders, Dark Mode, Undo Send, Custom Backgrounds, Templates, &…

First of all congratulations. It looks like a nice app and productivity booster for GMail.

I just wanted to point that e-mail undo is present is in standard GMail. The feature started as a lab feature and added into standard muster of features sometimes later.

This makes selling e-mail undo in the professional plan a bit of a contradiction IMHO.

Other than that, everything looks good, congrats again. :)

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by DarwinMailApp »

mdeeks wrote: post #85
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #41

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Part 3: How does DarwimMail actually work? So what happens exactly is: The user logs into DarwinMail.app, DarwinMail makes a login request to Google's servers, Google logs the user in, DarwinMail asks for the users emails at which point this data is rendered in the user's browser. None of this email data is stored on DarwinMail's servers. There is no need! Think of all the space it would take up and the time that wou…

Saying that none of the "email data" is stored on your servers is a common way mail clients deflect from the real truth that people are interested in. Our email data traverses through your servers and is stored in memory is it not? Additionally you have our access tokens correct? With those you have effective access to all of our email data. They are effectively a password. Worse actually since they bypass 2FA. If yo…

Hello, and thank you for your comment and for explaining how you feel.

What you have said is true but I'm not sure you fully understand how DarwinMail works.

I hope to alleviate your concerns somewhat by explaining.

DarwinMail does request and use your individual access tokens from Googles API servers in order to retrieve your emails.

All the displaying is done on your browser. Any action you take for your emails is done on your browser. Any email you type and send it handled in your browser.

Sure, DarwinMail is hosted on a server (Linode) but that's just to store the DarwinMail website on the internet so you can visit it.

Even without open sourcing the code, you can still see all of the code that does the above managing of your emails in your own browser! Just right click -> Inspect -> Open up the sources tab and you can see it all! It's not hidden!

In fact, search for Sarge's posts on this thread... that gentleman was looking through the code, reporting bugs to me and telling me how to fix them!

Furthermore, Linode does not take security lightly and are trusted by many many companies and individuals. See for yourself: https://www.linode.com/security

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by DarwinMailApp »

SargeZT wrote: post #83
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #76

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Wow wow WOWW! This is the kind of feedback I really really love. You took your time writing this. You went into perfect detail. You are really really helping, Sarge, thank you a million times over. This is amazing. Thank you. I have noted everything you said and will work on those in the coming days. Thank you so so much.

No problemo. I'll go into a deeper dive tomorrow; would it be better to send an email to report any further bugs I find?

Hell yes! I really really appreciate what you're doing! :)

It's joeytawadrous at gmail dot com

My email is always open to you! :D Thanks again for all your help!

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