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Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

bakugo wrote: post #889
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #872

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My own coding productivity has increased by a few times by using LLMs. Is that just a bubble?

Your productivity has not increased by a few times unless you're measuring purely by lines of code written, which has been firmly established over the decades as a largely meaningless metric.

I'm measuring by the amount of time it takes me to write a piece of code that does something I want, like make a plot or calculate some quantity of interest.

Or even the fact that I was able to start coding in an entirely new ML framework right away without reading any documentation beforehand.

I'm puzzled by the denialism about AI-driven productivity gains in coding. They're blindingly obvious to anyone using AI to code nowadays.

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by bakugo »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #891
bakugo wrote: post #889

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Your productivity has not increased by a few times unless you're measuring purely by lines of code written, which has been firmly established over the decades as a largely meaningless metric.

I'm measuring by the amount of time it takes me to write a piece of code that does something I want, like make a plot or calculate some quantity of interest. Or even the fact that I was able to start coding in an entirely new ML framework right away without reading any documentation beforehand. I'm puzzled by the denialism about AI-driven productivity gains in coding. They're blindingly obvious to anyone using AI to…

> like make a plot or calculate some quantity of interest.

This great comment I saw on another post earlier feels relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46850233

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

quickthrowman wrote: post #890
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #709

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Eliezer Yudkowsky's book was blurbed by a former Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs and a former Under Secretary for the Department of Homeland Security https://ifanyonebuildsit.com/

Are you talking about Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality ?

No, this book: https://ifanyonebuildsit.com/

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by BatteryMountain »

adzm wrote: post #718
BatteryMountain wrote: post #685

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Interesting rabbit hole, thank you!

It's a great concept that seems extremely relevant! Happy to have sent you down that rabbit hole!

It actually explains a lot about why religions, psy-ops, placebo's, mass-hysteria/psychosis, cults and even plain old marketing works. Feels like I took a peek behind the curtain.

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by LiKao »

nkrisc wrote: post #864
slfnflctd wrote: post #325

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Oh. Goodness gracious. Did we invent Mr. Meeseeks? Only half joking. I am mildly comforted by the fact that there doesn't seem to be any evidence of major suffering. I also don't believe current LLMs can be sentient. But wow, is that unsettling stuff. Passing ye olde Turing test (for me, at least) and everything. The words fit. It's freaky. Five years ago I would've been certain this was a work of science fiction by…

These models are all trained on human output. The bot output resembling human output is not surprising. This is how people write and is the kind of stuff they write about online. It’s all just remixed.

I have read similar comments to yours before. So how do I know your comment isn't just remixed from what you read before?

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

bakugo wrote: post #892
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #891

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I'm measuring by the amount of time it takes me to write a piece of code that does something I want, like make a plot or calculate some quantity of interest. Or even the fact that I was able to start coding in an entirely new ML framework right away without reading any documentation beforehand. I'm puzzled by the denialism about AI-driven productivity gains in coding. They're blindingly obvious to anyone using AI to…

> like make a plot or calculate some quantity of interest. This great comment I saw on another post earlier feels relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46850233

I'm not adding a+b. It will be more like, "Calculate the following nontrivial physical quantity from this catalog of measurements, reproject the measurements to this coordinate system, calculate the average and standard deviation using this pixelization scheme, estimate the power spectrum, and then make the following 3 plots."

This would have taken me an hour previously. It now takes a few minutes at most.

I feel like many AI skeptics are disconnected from reality at this point.

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by __alexs »

razodactyl wrote: post #629
__alexs wrote: post #395

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No. It's the shtick of the people that made it. Agents do not have "agency". They are extensions of the people that make and operate them.

I get where you're coming from but the "agency" term has loosened. I think it's going to keep happening as well until we end up with recursive loops of agency.

LLMs only have agency at most in the sense that a dog which has been trained and bred specifically to herd sheep does.

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by michaelcampbell »

anavat wrote: post #744
SimianSci wrote: post #552

Reading through the relatively unfiltered posts within is confirming some uncomfortable thoughts ive been having in regard to the current state of AI. Nobody is building anything worthwhile with these things. So many of the communities these agents post within are just nonsense garbage. 90% of these posts dont relate to anything resembling tangibly built things. Of the few communities that actually revolve around bui…

Yeah, strong crypto bubble vibes. Everyone is building tools for tool builders to make it easier to build even more tools. Endless infrastructure all the way down, no real use cases.

> Everyone is building tools for tool builders to make it easier to build even more tools.

A lot of hobby level 3d printing is like this. A good bit of the popular prints are... things to enhance your printer.

Oddly, woodworking has its fair share too - a lot of jigs and things to make more jigs or woodworking tools.

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by michaelcampbell »

bakugo wrote: post #801
spicyusername wrote: post #763

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Nobody is building anything worthwhile with these things. Basically every piece of software being built is now being built, in some part, with AI, so that is patently false. Nobody who is building anything worthwhile is hooking their LLM up to moltbook, perhaps.

> Basically every piece of software being built is now being built, in some part, with AI, so that is patently false. Yep, just like a few years ago, all fintech being built was being built on top of crypto and NFTs. This is clearly the future and absolutely NOT a bubble.

> all fintech being built was being built on top of crypto and NFTs

This seems WAY less true than the assertion of software being built with LLM help. (Source: Was in FinTech.)

Like, to the point of being a willful false equivalence.

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by michaelcampbell »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #896
bakugo wrote: post #892

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> like make a plot or calculate some quantity of interest. This great comment I saw on another post earlier feels relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46850233

I'm not adding a+b. It will be more like, "Calculate the following nontrivial physical quantity from this catalog of measurements, reproject the measurements to this coordinate system, calculate the average and standard deviation using this pixelization scheme, estimate the power spectrum, and then make the following 3 plots." This would have taken me an hour previously. It now takes a few minutes at most. I feel lik…

It feels like our (US) political system; people in their camps refuse to believe any data proposing a benefit of the "other" camp.

For me, the rise of the TUI agents, emerging ways of working (mostly SDD, and how to manage context well), and the most recent releases of models have pushed me past a threshold, where I now see value in it.

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